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Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere.  Netflix has a series called the Crown which covers the early reign of Elizabeth II coinciding with the time Churchill was Prime Minister.   They spent $100 million on this – more than any other series.   I've watched the 1st episode and it's fabulous – Downton Abbey standards.  

Charlie Rose did an episode on this and interviewed the main actors if you're interested.

https://charlierose.com/videos/29429

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That tension is enumerated in a letter that Elizabeth reads from the Queen Mother, Mary (Eileen Atkins), after learning that she’s about to ascend the throne at such a young age.

“I have seen three great monarchies brought down through the failure to separate personal indulgences from duty,” the letter reads. “You must not allow yourself to make similar mistakes.” Then, gravely: “The crown must win. Must always win.


Absolutely.

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I haven't seen any episodes yet, but I have seen a lot of advertising for this on Youtube, which makes sense considering the budget that they have.

I wonder which three monarchies the Queen Mother is referring to in that quote? I suppose one of them is Russia, where rumors of personal indulgences may indeed have weakened he dynasty even though they were false. But which would be the other two? Guess it is only a detail. The Crown must definitely win!
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I've seen all episodes but one.  It is an extraordinarily well done series.

I think Dutchmonarchist is right when he says one monarchy Queen Mary refers to is Russia, the second must be Germany.  Not sure who she means by the third one.  There were certainly many more than just three monarchies that fell in her lifetime.

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Good to hear that you guys liked it; I'm certainly going to check it out, then. Ethiomonarchist, if the second would be Germany, what personal indulgences would we be talking about when it comes to Kaiser Wilhelm? Do you mean he also did not separate his private affairs from his public affairs well enough (in the eyes of the Queen Mother)?
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I think that was what was meant.  However I have rather strong feelings in that regard towards Russia as well.  I don't think either Emperors Nicholas II or Wilhelm II were particularly self indulgent.  I think the writers took a little license here to fit the story they wanted to present.
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I've seen all episodes but one.  It is an extraordinarily well done series.

I think Dutchmonarchist is right when he says one monarchy Queen Mary refers to is Russia, the second must be Germany.  Not sure who she means by the third one.  There were certainly many more than just three monarchies that fell in her lifetime.


She said that in the 50's, so that could be the italian or spanish monarchies.

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I've seen all episodes but one.  It is an extraordinarily well done series.

I think Dutchmonarchist is right when he says one monarchy Queen Mary refers to is Russia, the second must be Germany.  Not sure who she means by the third one.  There were certainly many more than just three monarchies that fell in her lifetime.


She said that in the 50's, so that could be the italian or spanish monarchies.
 


Well yes she said that in the 50's, but she said that she had seen three monarchies fall, so that would be from her entire experience.  Germany and Russia would make sense because of the close ties of her own family and that of her husband's, but then there are so many other monarchies that fell during that period.  Yes, both Italy and Spain, but also Greece, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Albania, and that's just in Europe...

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I don't think there are any former monarchies that fit the bill, and as you suggested before I think it most likely that the story is made up out of whole cloth. The obvious candidates are Germany, Russia and Austria-Hungary. Was Wilhelm II self-indulgent? Actually, he was notably puritanical and straitlaced. Karl I & IV? Not a bit of it, and nor was Franz Joseph I. Nicholas II? Like Wilhelm II he had many faults, but self-indulgence was not among them. Queen Mary was completely dedicated to the monarchy's survival and I can well imagine her saying 'The Crown must always win'. The other part not so much, and if she did say it she was ill-advised and not particularly fair.
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They had a lot of dialog to fill, and needed ways of sculpting personas without having enough real quotes to fill in all that time.  They took some historic license ... most notably they had Wallis Simpson present at late abdication events when in reality she was out of the country in the later stages...but all in all they did a great job I think.
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Yes, I can definitely see the reasons for these decisions: the makers of such series have to keep things a little spicy. The question just crossed my mind if they would have had any particular countries in mind with that quote. I've been reading The Russian Revolution: a People's Tragedy by Orlando Figes and he suggests that the rumors of the relationship with Rasputin greatly harmed the Romanovs even if they were not particularly true, so I was thinking of that case.
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Thanks for the above information. I imagine the quote was fictional, though it was appropriate. The paternal grandmother of Queen Mary was Hungarian, so she may have felt some affinity towards the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

It probably ought to be noted that Queen Mary of Teck passed away in 1953, while the Greek monarchy endured another 20 years, until 1973, although the royal family went into exile in 1967.

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It probably ought to be noted that Queen Mary of Teck passed away in 1953, while the Greek monarchy endured another 20 years, until 1973, although the royal family went into exile in 1967.


The Greek monarchy was on and off the throne pretty regularly. Constantine I was exiled in 1920, replaced by his younger son Alexander, who died in October 1920 and was followed by a 52 day regency before Constantine I was restored. The Greek monarchy was completely abolished in 1924 and it was not restored for another 11 years, returning in 1935.  It was then again abolished in 1973.  

Previous to to the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg , Greece had one Wittlesbach monarch, King Otto, who had reigned from 1832 to 1862 when he was deposed.  It is said that King Constantine I when asked what was the most important tool for a King of the Hellenes to posses, he said "a packed suitcase".

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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