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I lack the knowledge at the present time to argue the line with you.  I will try to find my source on the Romans.

 

As we both agree the Davidic throne is God given and as such it must always remain in the True Religion.  Without getting into why I am a Christian and why you are a Jew it should be obvious why I do not think it can be held by a non-Catholic.


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Fair enough, but you Catholiscism is no reason to assume that male-line descendents of David HaMelech wouldnt still exist among the Jewish people

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Fair enough, but you Catholiscism is no reason to assume that male-line descendents of David HaMelech wouldnt still exist among the Jewish people

 

I agree. 


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 All this said you do not expect Catholics to believe that God continued the line of David through a non-Catholic?

 
Of course, he didn't any more than he would allow the Temple sacrifices to be resumed since the Ultimate Sacrifice on Calvary!


The Temple Sacrifices had been resumed, after the Babylonian deportation and were ongoing at the time of our Lord's Crucifixion.  (Remember the 'Holy Couple' went to Jerusalem to offer the two birds on Mary's Purification day?) 
The sacrifices probably continued until the destruction of the temple in 70 AD by the Romans, so we're looking at about a generation's worth of post Calvary Sacrifices.

My Reading of the Scriptures leads me to believe that the sacrifices, as a memorial (much like the Lord's Supper is now) will resume again during the Millennial Reign of Christ , the true Son of David, as King of Kings on the Earth.

Is the Davidic Nature of the Kings of France, etc a Catholic Dogma, Catholic Discipline, or just the Thoughts of Some Catholics?

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Baron,

 

The efficacy of such a Temple sacrifice after the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the altar of the Cross would be non-existent and would in fact be, as Jovan suggests, an offense against God.

 

It is not a dogma of the Catholic Church that the Davidic Crown is held by the French King, but it is commonly believed by many Catholics included among them saints and popes.  Though most modern Catholics would have no clue.

 


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We are in agreement that the sacrifices were non-effective. 
I'm not sure that they would be considered an offense against God, however, as St. Paul made the preparations for a cleansing ceremony at the Temple, which lead to his arrest, and trial before Festus and Felix.  From this I gather that the offense would be in mistaking 'memorial and ceremony' for 'effective and mandatory'.  Even in the Law and the Prophets, God desired Mercy more than Sacrifice from his people.

Thank you for the clarification of the position of the Church on the Davidic Nature of the French Crown.  It is sometimes hard to sort out what is 'commonly held', 'actively taught', and 'required belief' when looking at the Roman Church from the outside.


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Baron,

 

I am not saying you are to blame but I had to laugh when I consider how far this discusion has come from the U.S. reunion with Britain. 


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What, a forum discussion that has 'drifted off topic' - why thats unheard of!!

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Touché! 
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To bring focus back to this post, I--the original author--should say a few words. First, thank you all for the hearty lessons in basic monarchy nerdiness. I am truly amazed a the depth of knowledge of some of you on this subject. The French king from the line of David thing is quite fascinating. I'd like to look more into this.

 

Second, and back to the intial question, I do not accept imperialism. I think it is an intrinsic evil. Does this mean I'd make a poor monarchist? Must the two be connected? Because this is the issue I have with Britian ruling America. We are two different nations. Heck, I'd like to see America not as one country with fifty states but one confederation with fifty countries. But that's the love of small government side of me coming out. And I don't think this "smallness" attitude must exclude a love for monarchy.

 

I admire monarchy AND America, and I am looking to rest in the intersection of these two ideas.

 

What say you?


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I do not accept impirialism.....Does this mean I'd make a poor monarchist? Must the two be connected?



No.  In fact I would say there are solid monarchist arguments against imperialism, particularly as practiced by the European powers in the 19th and 20th centuries.   In Europe, colonial rivalries helped pave the way for World War I which destroyed the Russian, German, Austro-Hungarian, and Turkish monarchies.  In Asia and Africa, European rule tended to undermine the position of the native dynasties, with the result that most of these countries became republics after decolonization.

I do support the earlier European role in the Americas.  As a person of English descent living in one of the original British colonies, in a city (Charlotte) named after a British queen in a state (North Carolina) named after a British king, I personally tend to identify with the British monarchy.  However, this does not mean that every American monarchist needs to do so.  It seems to me that a break-up of the United States as we know it would be a prerequisite for any revival of monarchism in this country.

In any case, I prefer to focus my attentions on those countries, particularly in Europe, where monarchy is already an integral part of their history as independent nations.
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But that's the love of small government side of me coming out. And I don't think this "smallness" attitude must exclude a love for monarchy


Some of the Smallest independent countries in the world have a 'shared monarch' in the person of Queen Elizabeth II.  the Bahamas, St Kitts, Belize, Antigua etc have their own local governments, under Her Majesty, as Queen in right in each 'realm'.

A return to each Colony as an nation of its own, in the British Commonwealth, sharing Her Majesty as Queen would retain the smallness of each colony, the Monarchy, and a shared international 'brotherhood' of equals.

A Dominion Realm is a Sovereign Nation that is Personal Union with the other Dominion Realms.  Just as Scotland and England were different Kingdoms with the same King (James I/VI, and following until Anne), and Canada and New Zealand, and the Bahamas are currently different nations, sharing Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as Queen in each nation.

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I am just curious do I come across as an imperialist?

 

The interesting thing (and also the cause of a few headaches) about this forum is that it contains views from almost every monarchist position.  I for example have not progressed in many ways out of the age of feudalism.  Others here are more 18th or 19th century.  Then you have those on the opposite extreme, such as Paul who is as modern (and democratic) a monarchist as I have met, which is why we do not always see eye to eye (but it keeps things interesting).   

 


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Familial questions: Which George encouraged immigration from the German states he owned to North America?

 

My grandfather knew a genealogist and discovered that our greatest known ancestor came from Palatine(Palinate?Palpatine? :evil: ) during the 1750s.

 

And when did the Irish begin emigrating? My paternal great-grandmother was Irish. (my great-grandfather let the kids be raised Catholic just to be with her)


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And when did the Irish begin emigrating? My paternal great-grandmother was Irish. (my great-grandfather let the kids be raised Catholic just to be with her)
The Irish started coming to the US in big number in 1846 because of the Irish potato Famine.

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