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Monarchism is insignificant in Kurdistan, even compared to Germany. No Kurdish monarchist movement exist. No native Kurdish royal dynasty exists. I support electing an Osmanoglu Shah of Kurdistan, but the Ottoman Sultans are regarded as foreign rulers today by most Kurds, despite most Kurds being loyal to the Ottoman Empire during World War I. The Hashemite Kings of Iraq oppressed the Kurds and nobody supports a Hashemite restoration in Kurdistan.
Most Kurds aren't ideological republicans, unlike most Americans and most Frenchmen. They want Kurdistan to obtain independence as a republic, because being a republic is considered the only option for Kurdistan due to the lack of a native royal dynasty. Most Kurds cherish our pre-Islamic Iranic heritage. Zoroastrianism is currently growing among the Kurds. 100000 Kurds are Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is far more widespread among the Kurds than monarchism is.
Monarchism may become significant in Kurdistan, if a member of a currently reigning royal dynasty marries a Kurd. But no European royal has been married to a Kurd. Prince Harry and Prince Joachim of Denmark has been married to non-whites, but Prince Harry chose a black American instead of a Kurd, and Prince Joachim chose a Chinese from Hong Kong instead of a Kurd. My family may be the only Kurds, who are descended from European nobility.
I want an Osmanoglu to be elected Shah of Kurdistan, but Kurdistan obtaining independence as a republic is hardly unacceptable to me. Kurdistan becoming a monarchy is of secondary importance to me compared to Kurdistan obtaining independence from Iraq. I want Kurdistan to be a decent republic, which rejects Communism and Islamism and embraces secularism and freedom of religion, including the right to convert from Islam.
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Monarchism is insignificant in Kurdistan, even compared to Germany. No Kurdish monarchist movement exist. No native Kurdish royal dynasty exists. I support electing an Osmanoglu Shah of Kurdistan, but the Ottoman Sultans are regarded as foreign rulers today by most Kurds, despite most Kurds being loyal to the Ottoman Empire during World War I. The Hashemite Kings of Iraq oppressed the Kurds and nobody supports a Hashemite restoration in Kurdistan.
Most Kurds aren't ideological republicans, unlike most Americans and most Frenchmen. They want Kurdistan to obtain independence as a republic, because being a republic is considered the only option for Kurdistan due to the lack of a native royal dynasty. Most Kurds cherish our pre-Islamic Iranic heritage. Zoroastrianism is currently growing among the Kurds. 100000 Kurds are Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is far more widespread among the Kurds than monarchism is.
Monarchism may become significant in Kurdistan, if a member of a currently reigning royal dynasty marries a Kurd. But no European royal has been married to a Kurd. Prince Harry and Prince Joachim of Denmark has been married to non-whites, but Prince Harry chose a black American instead of a Kurd, and Prince Joachim chose a Chinese from Hong Kong instead of a Kurd. My family may be the only Kurds, who are descended from European nobility.
I want an Osmanoglu to be elected Shah of Kurdistan, but Kurdistan obtaining independence as a republic is hardly unacceptable to me. Kurdistan becoming a monarchy is of secondary importance to me compared to Kurdistan obtaining independence from Iraq. I want Kurdistan to be a decent republic, which rejects Communism and Islamism and embraces secularism and freedom of religion, including the right to convert from Islam.

Shouldn't your family then work to become a Germanic-Kurdish House which would be a sensible candidate for a royal kurdish family

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Coat of arms of Azadi as Shah of Kurdistan:
adapted from arms of the Kurdistan region and the Qajar crown of Persia
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Azadi, are you a strictly agnatic descendant of a German noble house? That could give you some bonus points, actually.
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Coat of arms of Azadi as Shah of Kurdistan:
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I like that coat of arms. I will emulate King Zog of Albania, who was elected President of the Republic of Albania in 1925 and who was crowned King of Albania in 1928. 
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Azadi, are you a strictly agnatic descendant of a German noble house? That could give you some bonus points, actually.

No, but my mother is an agnatic descendant of an untitled German noble house. I'm bearing the surname of my German noble ancestors. Bearing the surname of your mother's family is legal in the Federal Republic of Germany. Nobility was abolished in Germany in 1919, but the Federal Republic of Germany recognizes titles of nobility and nobiliary particles as part of the surname. Titles of nobility and nobiliary particles can be inherited through the daughter of a nobleman in the Federal Republic of Germany, because they are considered part of the surname.
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Ah, OK, but do you have the right to bear the coat of arms as well (if there is one)? I mean, I remember reading that people who had been adopted by German nobles had some problems with their names and inheritance (like the husband of Zsa Zsa Gabor, I think). 
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Ah, OK, but do you have the right to bear the coat of arms as well (if there is one)? I mean, I remember reading that people who had been adopted by German nobles had some problems with their names and inheritance (like the husband of Zsa Zsa Gabor, I think). 

Coats of arms aren't recognized by the Federal Republic of Germany, because the German nobility was abolished as a social class in 1919. My maternal uncle, who is the head of my noble house, has granted me the right to bear the coat of arms of our family.
I support maintaining the status quo concerning the German nobility, if the Hohenzollern monarchy of Germany is restored, because I want all Germans, except the Hohenzollerns, to remain equal before the law, if the German monarchy is restored, but I want titles of nobility to remain part of the surname, because I support upholding tradition.
Germany and Spain are the only European countries, which allows titles of nobility to be inherited through female lines. Spanish titles of nobility are inherited according to absolute primogeniture. German titles of nobility are inherited by all children of a nobleman.
Germany is unique among republics, because the Federal Republic of Germany recognizes titles of nobility as part of the surname. Most former monarchies abolished titles of nobility, when they abolished the monarchy. Titles of nobility were abolished in Russia in 1917, in Austria in 1919 and in Italy in 1948. Norway and Japan have abolished titles of nobility, despite remaining monarchies. Titles of nobility were abolished in Norway in 1821 and in Japan in 1947.
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Germany and Spain are the only European countries, which allows titles of nobility to be inherited through female lines.


Um, what about the United Kingdom? Or is that not in Europe anymore?

I must have been thinking of France when I mentioned the coat of arms. 

Also, wasn't the Norwegian nobility abolished in 1814?
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Um, what about the United Kingdom? Or is that not in Europe anymore?

I must have been thinking of France when I mentioned the coat of arms. 

Also, wasn't the Norwegian nobility abolished in 1814?

British peerages are inherited according to Salic law. 

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Generally speaking, but there are numerous exceptions, most notably baronies by writ, and also among older Scottish peerages. So Murtagon's observation was not inaccurate.
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My maternal uncle, who is the head of my noble house, lives in Spain and he doesn't want to return to Kurdistan. I want to return to Kurdistan, if Kurdistan obtains independence from Iraq. I have no brothers, but I have an older sister. 
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My maternal uncle, who is the head of my noble house, lives in Spain and he doesn't want to return to Kurdistan. I want to return to Kurdistan, if Kurdistan obtains independence from Iraq. I have no brothers, but I have an older sister. 

Who will inherit te headship?

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Um, what about the United Kingdom? Or is that not in Europe anymore?

I must have been thinking of France when I mentioned the coat of arms. 

Also, wasn't the Norwegian nobility abolished in 1814?


not in 1814 but later in the 1800s
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Who will inherit te headship?

My uncle is married to a Colombian woman. He has two sons and a daughter. My cousins live in Spain and they don't want to return to Kurdistan. My uncle has converted to Roman Catholicism and my cousins are Roman Catholics. 
My older sister is my only sibling. My sister wants to return to Kurdistan, if Kurdistan obtains independence from Iraq.
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