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AaronTraas

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It was good to hear from Aaron. Ethiomonarchist was posting almost immediately after Sandy so I knew that while doubtless inconvenienced he was fine, but I had been concerned about how Aaron and his family were doing. 


Thanks for your concern. My family survived unscathed, and merely minorly inconvenienced. The in-laws were over my house, as they had no power until last night, and my commute has been quite difficult -- around 3 hours each way, and unpredictable. I consider myself blessed if this is the worst that happened to me and my family.
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I've thought of this a lot, Aaron, and really feel for you and my other non-conformist Catholic friends.  The pressure to toe the Republican line in the American Catholic Church (and I call it that deliberately) is huge.  For example I found it disturbing when I went to a Lebanese food festival at a Maronite Catholic church and it was festooned with red, white, and blue signs demanding that people vote a certain way.  At a cultural festival open to the general public?  Why?  It's to the credit of the Orthodox that one would never see that at a Greek food festival.


Yeah... I could see a bit of pressure to vote if one party (or even a credible candidate) was truly in line with the Church's teaching. But as it is, the GOP is only nominally with the church on abortion, and really not much else that matters. But this weird adoption of the entire GOP platform by conservative Catholics is maddening -- particularly when it comes to wars, foreign policy, torture, etc. Given, in practice, the Democrats aren't much better there either... much like the GOP on abortion. And don't get me started on the whole gay marriage boogieman... we've lost that battle in the public square for this generation. It's happening, and Romney ain't going to stop it. If we want to combat it, the best things we can do, as Catholics, is pray, sacrifice, seek conversions of souls, and actually stop getting divorces. You know, practice what we preach. We've already wrecked marriage in this country; it has no meaning any more.

And for the love of God, why can't the campaign process be shorter? Why must it take the better part of 2 years?
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My family survived unscathed, and merely minorly inconvenienced.


Very good to hear Aaron.


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And for the love of God, why can't the campaign process be shorter? Why must it take the better part of 2 years?


Oh so true!!!! 

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Yeah... I could see a bit of pressure to vote if one party (or even a credible candidate) was truly in line with the Church's teaching.


In some countries you have explicitly a choice between those who are church-friendly and those who are hostile to the faith in which case there IS a duty. In others you have a choice of several who are generally friendly to the church to varying degrees, where it becomes more difficult. There is no "lesser evil" involved here, and often it's a genuine battle of Good v Evil, in the Culture Wars.

I agree it's nauseating that people emphasise one issue as part of their conservatism, regardless of how important it is to our civilisation (which it is). But I see it as one part of a much wider web, and you cannot overemphasise one and ignore or downplay all others. And we're told, rightly or wrongly, that the world is now a smaller place, and a place saddled with so much in social and economic ills, not to mention great dangers, that we cannot begin to think where to begin to solving it.
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This is going to sound wacky, but in the hours following the US election I've come across not one, but two disillusioned American GOPers who have expressed openness to a constitutional monarchy. Of course, I'm not pretending that this is widespread or has any real importance in the grand scheme of things, but I found it shocking (in a good way) nonetheless. It's just one Republican blog, but for what it's worth:

"Republic's End"

http://confurvatives.livejournal.com/487282.html

"Meanwhile, the remaining patriot states need to increase peaceful resistance against the American Empire, with the goal of peacefully working themselves free from it to one day create a constitutional republic or even a constitutional monarchy"

Crazy talk, but hardly 24 hours later I've had another American say more or less the same thing.
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Umm... even under a constitutional monarchy you could end up with an elected head of government that you would be very opposed to.  A constitutional monarch is non-political so I'm not sure how they feel this is logical.  This is indeed very "wacky".
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The key word is "constitutional."  The writer presumably feels that the U.S. government has become a de facto Empire and no longer actually adheres to the Constitution, so a smaller government of a geographically smaller unit that did adhere to some sort of Constitution limiting its role would be preferable, whether it was a republic or monarchy.  We can work with that.
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Yes, if you read further down into the comments he again clarifies that he is not inferring absolutism by any stretch. As well, although in a constitutional monarchy you could end up with a political leader you don't support, you still have the monarchy as a non-partisan fallback mechanism for unity.

Unfortunately, to be honest, this sort of musing looks more like the ramblings of someone suffering from PESD (post election stress disorder).
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Of course in a monarchy you have that unique advantage of a head of state who can represent everyone regardless of their affiliation, but I could say also that partisan politics are always divisive in any kind of democratic system. How can it not be when you face people or groups who are so hostile to everything that is integral to our civilisation?
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The whole "my way or the highway" mentality is increasingly becoming the way we think.  It is a very immature and unwise way to conduct public life and is the field in which fascism and communism take root and flower.  That Americans of all political stripes accross the spectrum are thinking this way dismays me to no end.


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The Lion of Judah hath prevailed.

Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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