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royalcello

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OK but there is a distinction between socialists (who are not necessarily anti-monarchist, though I suspect monarchist socialists have become rarer than they used to be) and Communists.  I guess I associate the word "Red" with hardline "Communist" even though it is the colour of the Labour Party (and bizarrely, of the Republicans in the United States).
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OK but there is a distinction between socialists (who are not necessarily anti-monarchist, though I suspect monarchist socialists have become rarer than they used to be) and Communists. 


True, but they're both Reds.

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Royal Cello, perhaps Jovan's stay in her Majesty's Dominion of Canada is showing.  Old style Red Tories wouldn't  be bad at all (Best I can tell).



FWIW, Baron, I am an old line Red Tory or High Tory as they might say in the UK.


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In some Latin American countries, red represented liberalism (as in the Liberal Party of Colombia). Again 18th Brumaire brings up the fact that South Korea has an active trade union movement. Why is that such an important point exactly? Sure enough, you can be an open plural society without succumbing to the "progressive" trends of the West. Having a labour or student organisation has nothing to do with what I'm referring to here.
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In some Latin American countries, red represented liberalism (as in the Liberal Party of Colombia).


As I pointed out, also true in Canada. However, at least in Canada the Liberals use red because they are lineal descendants of 'le Parti Rouge' (the Red Party), a radical, revolutionary republican party in Quebec in the early-mid 1800s.

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And the Parti bleu were the Catholic party in Quebec pre-federation.
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I remember in the 80s, that the news networks represented the Republicans as blue and the Democrats as red, and this was only for the presidential electoral map. I don't know why they chose these colors, but then they switched it in the 90s. I think that in the 2000 election, you had geographical regions solidly one color or the other, so people started to use the expressions "red states" and "blue states.". This was never done before, but now news networks will probably always use red for Republian and blue for Democrat because people identify the parties with those colors - in the same way the donkey and elephant represent the two respective parties. It's interesting to see a tradition made within around 15 years.
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The principles of a welfare state is not in question here. It's the culture of dependency and entitlement, the size and scope of government, and the fact that we have seen socialist thinking strangle initiative in our culture. Compared with Asian culture and society where entrepeneurship married to traditional values is the norm, it's beyond pathetic.


There's little "tradition" in these Asian countries too.
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