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The book in question is called Why Evolution is True. I didn't recommend it and haven't actually read it; I have read much about evolution from a variety of scientist-authors and need no further convincing. I was pleased however when you said you were reading it, as it is a perfectly well-reputed popular science work on the subject. The fact is that the evidence for the truth of evolution is so overwhelming, so enormous, that I don't think an open mind is a completely appropriate response. The theory has stood up to over 150 years of non-stop assaults on it without the slightest dent ever being made, and every time a new area of science opens up related to the field, areas that could not even be dreamed of when the theory was first formulated, all that happens is the theory gets further confirmed. That sort of thing is why people believe in General Relativity, it works every time you apply it and stands up to every test, including tests that hadn't even been thought of when Einstein's genius first illuminated all our understandings. In short, you might as well have an open mind about heliocentricity.

Not of course telling you what to think, just saying what I think. But my belief really is based on an awful lot of reading and thinking about something that has always fascinated me. For anyone who might be interested, I believe this is the thread Vivat and Wessexman have been referencing. I should mention that it is evident on it that Wessexman and I were far from enjoying our present cordial relations back then, but it doesn't get too bad in that regard and in fact there is a distinct thawing as the thread goes on (albeit there were further freezes ahead, of which I hope we will have no more).
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As someone who went from undecided, to uneducated theistic evolutionist, to creationist to educated theistic evolutionist whilst being a Christian throughout I must say I find the evidence for evolution by mutation and natural selection to be very compelling.
My creationist phase was held up by some quite odd beliefs about satanic conspiracies which, when I grew out of, left my creationism without solid foundation.

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The book in question is called Why Evolution is True. I didn't recommend it and haven't actually read it; I have read much about evolution from a variety of scientist-authors and need no further convincing. I was pleased however when you said you were reading it, as it is a perfectly well-reputed popular science work on the subject. The fact is that the evidence for the truth of evolution is so overwhelming, so enormous, that I don't think an open mind is a completely appropriate response. The theory has stood up to over 150 years of non-stop assaults on it without the slightest dent ever being made, and every time a new area of science opens up related to the field, areas that could not even be dreamed of when the theory was first formulated, all that happens is the theory gets further confirmed. That sort of thing is why people believe in General Relativity, it works every time you apply it and stands up to every test, including tests that hadn't even been thought of when Einstein's genius first illuminated all our understandings. In short, you might as well have an open mind about heliocentricity.

Not of course telling you what to think, just saying what I think. But my belief really is based on an awful lot of reading and thinking about something that has always fascinated me. For anyone who might be interested, I believe this is the thread Vivat and Wessexman have been referencing. I should mention that it is evident on it that Wessexman and I were far from enjoying our present cordial relations back then, but it doesn't get too bad in that regard and in fact there is a distinct thawing as the thread goes on (albeit there were further freezes ahead, of which I hope we will have no more).

I was actually thinking of this thread, specifically the discussion on the last few pages. I haven't read Coyne's book but I'm wary of recommending him as reading to people sceptical of evolution on religious grounds (and people are rarely sceptical of evolution on any other grounds) because whilst he is undoubtedly an accomplished biologist, he's also a known critic of religion. I'd instead recommend this essay by Theodore Dobzhansky, also a highly respected evolutionary biologist and a devout Russian Orthodox Christian. He not only examines the scientific evidence in favour of Darwinian evolution but also touches on the theological side of the argument.

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