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Martyrdom1649

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What are your views on authoritarian rulers such as Salazar and Dollfuss?
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They're a tricky one, because frankly I don't know that much about them. What little I do know about Dolfuss suggests there was some excuse for him. What little I know about Salazar suggests there have been worse. But then I recall Franco. I didn't know much about him either, but then the continual love for him expressed here made me feel I ought to find out whether I really agreed with it. I really, really wish I hadn't. Reading in detail about this utterly loathsome and terrible excuse for a human being's monstrous career made me feel sick to my stomach more often than I could possibly count. Honestly, I often had to pause for a month or more at a time before I felt up to continuing. So who's to say I wouldn't feel the same about Salazar and Dolfuss if I looked into them? I don't plan to.
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Salazar and Dollfuss had interesting regimes that were not the regular western democracy we all know when we think about modern European regimes like nowadays. Aside of authoritarianism that is the first thing we think when we say those names, their regimes had tradition and religion important aspects of how the regime functioned. For example, in Portugal the death penalty was outlawed out of religious concern. In Austria of the so called by mistake "Austro-Fascism" regime, monarchist and traditionalist movements were active part of the government and a restoration was near for Otto if not the anschluss to happen. Speaking about the name of the Austrian regime back then, called "Fascist", that is grave mistake, because that regime didn't have fascism as prime ideology like in Italy and certainly not Germany, but it needed the support of Mussolini to survive because he protected that regime until 1938 and guess what happened then, yes the anschluss. So it can be said that this regime had some elements of fascism like the roman salute practiced, but when it came to national/racial policies it didn't discriminate minorities. In Portugal, the monarchist cause played less of a role because of the refusal of the heir of Braganza to cooperate with the regime, unlike Juan Carlos of the bordering Spain (also Franco wanted a restoration by his death, that was mutual relation unlike in Portugal where no side wished so much for a restoration unfortunately).
Although none of the regimes ended in restoration of the monarchy, I personally admire both of these regimes because of the circumstances of the periods they had been part of and the traditional elements of these, about authoritarianism I'm less proud of it but perhaps in some cases it was needed.

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Thanks, I didn't know there were monarchist under this two regime.


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yes, Monarchism played role espacially behind the scenes when it came to Austria, Schuschnigg wanted a restoration but was afraid of Germany's invasion that came out anyway. For further reading about the regime and monarchy:
https://ww1.habsburger.net/en/chapters/otto-and-austrofascism
In Portugal it is less known, but there were also some figures in the coalition that played part of the monarchist cause, most of them were out after Salazar outlawed the Syndicalists because he was afraid of their rapid association with Nazism, but in every conservative party and especially conservative and religious regime like these there are monarchists but they are less mentioned in history because their role is more secondary, especially those who declared their commitment without question.
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I despise Salazar for refusing to restore the Portuguese monarchy despite having had plenty of time to do so. Dollfuss didn't have much of a chance, so it's harder to say.
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