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KYMonarchist

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Air France Flight 447 has vanished, completely. 228 passengers and crew on that flight are almost certainly dead. Why do I mention this tragedy on this forum? Beacuse one of the passengers was Prince Pedro-Luis of Orleans-Braganza, 3rd in line to the throne of Brazil and nephew of the current Emperor Luiz I of Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Pedro_Lu%C3%ADs_of_Orl%C3%A9ans-Braganza



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Apparently Princess Alix de Ligne, Pedro Luiz's double first cousin, was originally supposed to be on the same flight. However, she ended up catching another one.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Beneluxroyal/msg/1243879064.html
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Oh dear...how sad.   Thanks for informing us though.
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I apologize, Prince Pedro Luis was 3rd in line to Brazil's throne, not 4th.

His younger 23-year-old brother is now the 3rd in line to the Brazilian throne.

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Depends on whether one counts Dom Luiz as "first in line" or as if he were Emperor.  I believe it is common to count the Pretender as "first in line" since he is not actually occupying the throne.  (Though he should be!)  Dom Luiz is not yet Emperor, as Britain's Prince Charles is not yet King, hence "first in line."

1.  Dom Luiz (b 1938)
2.  Dom Bertrand (b 1941)
3.  Dom Antonio (b 1950)
Dom Pedro (1983-2009?)
4. Dom Rafael (b 1986)

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I shall say the panikhída tonight for all of them, with a special mention of HIH Dom Pedro Luis. Memory eternal!


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Sadly, if Prince Pedro is indeed deceased, he is survived not only by his parents Prince Antonio and Princess Christine, but by both of his grandmothers, the former Princess Maria of Bavaria (widow of Prince Pedro Henrique), 94, and the former Princess Alix of Luxembourg (widow of Antoine, Prince de Ligne), 79.  I'm sure these venerable royal ladies never thought they would have to bury their grandson.

Now I realize that this is a tragedy for everyone involved, all 228 apparent victims and their families and friends.  However, for those of us who did not know any of the victims, but knew who Prince Pedro was, the royal connection makes what would otherwise be a tragic but remote news story somehow more "real" and even more upsetting.  Therefore I don't think it's inappropriate to focus on the one passenger one had heard of prior to the accident, and his family.

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The Prince Pedro Henrique Theodore mentioned was de jure Emperor Pedro III of Brazil between 1921 and 1981. His wife Princess Maria of Bavaria (daughter of King Ludwig III of Bavaria) is thus de jure Dowager Empress of Brazil. She's also 95 and apprently just outlived her 26-year-old grandson. A fate no grandmother on the planet should have to go through.

My condolences go out to the Imperial House of Brazil and to the mediatized Princely House of Ligne in these times of grief.

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His wife Princess Maria of Bavaria (daughter of King Ludwig III of Bavaria) is thus de jure Dowager Empress of Brazil. She's also 95


Minor corrections: Princess Maria is a granddaughter of Ludwig III and is still 94, having been born on September 9, 1914.
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The late Prince Pedro Luis was also a male-line descendant of Louis-Philippe, King of the French, King Henri IV of France, and Hugh Capet.


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Prince Pedro Luis of Orleans-Braganza, 3rd in line to the Brazilian throne, 35th in line to the Orleanist claim to the French throne, and 110th in line to the Legitimist claim to the French throne has been officially declared as deceased as of June 2nd, 2009 CE.


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110th in the Legitimist line?  How is that?  I thought Legitimists refused to aknowldge any right of the Orleanist line of the Bourbon dynasty to succeed to the French throne?


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The Orleans princes would still be in line from a Legitimist point of view after all the male-line descendants of Louis XIV due to their male-line descent from Louis XIII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_French_throne_(Legitimist)

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On this article, they are talking about the rest of the souls who have passed away along with His Imperial Highness. http://news.aol.com/article/air-france-passenger-profiles/510409?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fair-france-passenger-profiles%2F510409 

         I read a couple of comments by people saying they prefer to go by railroad, automobile, or ship when it comes to travel.
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http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Bomb_threat_delayed_an_Air_France_flight_to_Paris_ days_before_Flight_447_crashed

On an ominous note, a bomb threat delayed an Air France flight traveling from Buenos Aires to Paris on May 27th. The threat was ruled a false alarm, but still. I'm spooked.

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