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You are using a very limited definition of "illiterate" and it was appropriate the way I used it.
 
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Illiterate:
1
: having little or no education; especially : unable to read or write <an illiterate population>
2
a : showing or marked by a lack of familiarity with language and literature <an illiterate magazine> b : violating approved patterns of speaking or writing

And for "slang":

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: language peculiar to a particular group: as a : argot b : jargon 2
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: an informal nonstandard vocabulary composed typically of coinages, arbitrarily changed words, and extravagant, forced, or facetious figures of speech



There may be less of that, but I did not understand the word "Tyke," for example.

And to be clear, the issue isn't about eliminating dialects, but maintaining the standards of the written language.   If people are writing via their dialects in Europe, then I imagine it's among people of the same group (i.e., among people who use that dialect).   Like Windmere, however, I'm glad that is not the custom here.   I would add that using the standard form makes it easier to understand other people who may use different dialects when they SPEAK.  This forum, for example, does not need Texans and New Yorkers regularly writing words differently and using different rules of grammar. 

But I've said enough about this.

thanks for explaining. im not sure that im convinced about slang. but it might be due to the fact that i dont understand english perfectly. as for the definition of illiterate i see you have a point. however i think it is highly unpractical and linguistically a poor solution not to distinguish between the two forms of illiterate. then you never know to which form the word refers.

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its not slang, its older than queen's english is


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Language is constantly changing and evolving.  Believe it or not, "Queens English" (often known as "Oxford English", "BBC English" or Received Pronounciation")itself is said to have been abandoned by and large in what used to be it's heartland in favor (or favour if you prefer) of "Thames Estuary English".  Linguists who study these things say that the Queen herself now speaks in a way influenced by "Thames Estuary English" whereas she spoke a bit more pure "Queens English" earlier in her reign. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-420246/Queens-English-moves-realm-Thames-estuary.html

Some of the differences between dialects are subtle, others not so.  People are judged on how they speak and how they write, but lets not rush to condemn our new young friend for liking the way his own dialect sounds so much that he's adapted the way he writes to it. 



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