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azadi

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Here is an article about parts of the Kremlin establishment wanting to make Vladimir Putin Tsar of Russia: http://ugandansatheart.blogspot.com/2018/12/uah-czar-vladimir-putin-acolytes-want.html
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Vladimir Putin may be a descendant of Rurik, the founder of the Russian state, through the Putyatin princely family. http://www.pravdareport.com/history/1528-putin_genealogy/ 
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Are any of the other members of the forum willing to accept Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin as Tsar of Russia? I'm willing to accept Putin as Tsar of Russia, if the theory about him being a descendant of Rurik is true.
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Well, a major drawback to Putin's becoming Czar is his lack of a son. Though he does appear to have two daughters in their mid-30s. The elder one is believed to be married, with a child of her own. The younger one is believed to have been briefly married, but is now divorced. Perhaps Putin ought to contact Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and see if he can propose to marry his daughter to her son George Mikhailovitch Hohenzollern-Romanov. The Grand Duchess might actually be receptive to such a proposal, seeing that George, who's now approaching forty years old, is still a bachelor. 

Putin himself got divorced from his wife of many years not too long ago. He's rumoured to have fathered a young daughter with a girlfriend just recently, though this is just speculation.

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Female-line descent from Rurik (presuming there ever actually was such a person) is hardly rare. Anyone who can trace descent from even very early European royalty, itself not at all rare, is likely to have it, through the marriage of Henri I of France to a Rurikovich princess if by no other means. So I wouldn't see Putin's possessing such a descent as any special qualification.
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Are any of the other members of the forum willing to accept Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin as Tsar of Russia? I'm willing to accept Putin as Tsar of Russia, if the theory about him being a descendant of Rurik is true.


i would prefer the most legitimate person, but much rather putin as czar than as president in a republic of course.
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az: your link yields page not found error...
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Well, a major drawback to Putin's becoming Czar is his lack of a son. Though he does appear to have two daughters in their mid-30s. The elder one is believed to be married, with a child of her own. The younger one is believed to have been briefly married, but is now divorced. Perhaps Putin ought to contact Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and see if he can propose to marry his daughter to her son George Mikhailovitch Hohenzollern-Romanov. The Grand Duchess might actually be receptive to such a proposal, seeing that George, who's now approaching forty years old, is still a bachelor. 

Putin himself got divorced from his wife of many years not too long ago. He's rumoured to have fathered a young daughter with a girlfriend just recently, though this is just speculation.

Your proposal sounds like a good idea. I have actually considered Grand Prince Georgiy marrying Katerina Tikhonova (the unmarried daughter of Putin) myself. But I support female succession to the Russian throne. I would prefer a restored Russian monarchy to use male-preference primogeniture. But I like your proposal, because it will tie the new Imperial Family of Russia to the Romanovs.
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az: your link yields page not found error...


http://www.pravdareport.com/history/1528-putin_genealogy/

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the artilcle o\provides a sugestion, but little evidence to be convincing
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I admire Putin because he has reunified Crimea with Russia, has supported the revival of the Russian Orthodox Church and has made Russia far more stable and prosperous than during the 1990's. But I still prefer Russia being a monarchy to Russia being a republic. If Putin is indeed a descendant of Rurik, he is my preferred choice for Tsar. I consider any descendant of Rurik, including female-line descendants of Rurik, eligible to be elected Tsar of Russia by a Zemskiy Sobor. Parts of the Kremlin establishment and the Russian Orthodox clergy actually wants to crown Putin Tsar.
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Why are you interested in Monarchies?

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The "fireing" of Sarah Huckabee means Russia has a chance today.
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Female-line descent from Rurik (presuming there ever actually was such a person) is hardly rare. Anyone who can trace descent from even very early European royalty, itself not at all rare, is likely to have it, through the marriage of Henri I of France to a Rurikovich princess if by no other means. So I wouldn't see Putin's possessing such a descent as any special qualification.


It's obviously true, that being a female-line descendant of Rurik or even being a male-line descendant of Rurik doesn't make being Tsar of Russia your birthright, but it makes you eligible to being elected Tsar of Russia by a Zemskiy Sobor. The Romanovs are actually female-line descendants of Rurik through the grandmother of Mikhail I, the first Romanov Tsar, and the Holstein-Gottorps, from whom the Romanov Tsars are descended since 1762, are female-line descendants of Rurik through the mother of Valdemar the Great, king of Denmark from 1157 to 1182. 

Some members of the forum claims, that Grand Princess Maria Vladimirovna are the de-jure Empress of Russia. I strongly disagree about that. The Pauline laws are outdated, and if the Russian monarchy is restored, I want the Pauline laws replaced with a modern law of succession, which will allow female succession to the throne and will allow the heir to the throne to marry a non-royal. I will prefer male-preference primogeniture being introduced in Russia, if the Russian monarchy is restored. Banning the heir to the Russian throne from marrying a Russian noblewoman appears ridiculous to most people today, when most heirs to the thrones of the current European monarchies marries commoners. The heir to the Russian throne marrying a Russian noblewoman will appear quite conservative today, just as male-preference primogeniture as opposed to equal primogeniture will do. The spouse of the heir to the Russian throne being a Russian is more important than the spouse of the heir to the Russian throne being a royal. I will prefer the heir to the Russian throne marrying a working-class Russian to the heir to the Russian throne marrying a foreign royal. 
Maria Vladimirovna aren't the closest living relative of Tsar Nikolay II, and she isn't the closest living male-line relative of Tsar Nikolay II. A lot of male-line Romanovs has being excluded from the line of succession because they have married Russian noblewomen. That's wrong. I'm not opposed to Maria Vladimirovna being elected Tsaritsa of Russia by a Zemskiy Sobor, but I don't consider her the only legitimate heir to the Russian throne. I recognize the republican form of government of Russia as legitimate, while preferring a restoration of the Russian monarchy, and that means, that a Zemskiy Sobor is free to elect any descendant of Rurik Tsar of Russia, and that the Pauline laws are invalid today. 

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I don't claim that Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna is de jure Empress of Russia, only that she is rightful heiress under the Pauline law, which was the succession law of the Russian Empire up to the point of its dissolution. I agree that after so long a gap the Empire could not simply be reestablished with her at its head, it would be necessary for that to be the expressed will of the Russian people before it could legitimately happen. And if their will were instead to pick some other person, that person would be de jure as well as de facto Emperor or Empress. They would not have to be able to show a line of descent from Rurik to be eligible, that was never a requirement and even if it had been could be superseded by the election process. Incidentally, while the original Romanovs most likely did have Rurikovich blood, the pedigrees 'proving' it were earlier fabrications. To be clear, I am not saying that the Romanovs themselves made false claims, but rather that earlier generations from whom they were descended had done so.
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