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In the current climate i would most definitely NOT trust CNN on the grounds of 'vested interest' and therefore they are not likely to be regarded as a valued unbiased source of information in regards the 45th US President.
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In the current climate i would most definitely NOT trust CNN on the grounds of 'vested interest' and therefore they are not likely to be regarded as a valued unbiased source of information in regards the 45th US President.


They are not the only ones reporting on this stuff, but how exactly are they a "vested interest"?  They are not running for office.  Are we to ignore the mainstream media altogether?

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CNN does seem to have kept up the relentlessly hostile coverage of Trump that began in the campaign. They don't seem to have learnt anything. He deserves quite a bit of bad coverage, but it should be fair and not over-the-top, and CNN's coverage is often neither fair nor proportionate. CNN seems personally offended at Trump's victory, perhaps because they worked so hard to stop it

The likes of the National Review are good sources on the transition, because they are not fans of Trump but also don't go into the hysterics you see from the left-liberal media, like CNN and the BBC.
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I have to disagree.  CNN has been quite measured compared to some networks (notably MSNBC) which are completely hostile to Trump and the New York Times is openly feuding with him.  The fact is that CNN is the only media network that makes an attempt at neutrality.  Fox and MSNBC have been largely mouth pieces for the two camps on the right and the left respectively.  However, when it comes to Trump, even Fox has it's scepticisms.  Every press organ will have some sort of "leaning" and CNN is quite identifiable with "left of center", but compared to the other news sources they are quite neutral.  Fox and MSNBC are quite hysterical in their political coverage I agree, but CNN is far from hysterical (not withstanding a couple of hysterical correspondents).
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The gulf is widening between Donald Trump and the Intelligence Community over the Russian hacking and Wikileaks.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-cia-director-james-woolsey-cuts-ties-with-donald-trumps-transition-team-amid-tensions-with-intelligence-community-053744699.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-attacks-intelligence-again-before-cyberattack-briefing-what-is-going-on-153015362.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14Q00V

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/intel-report-says-us-identifies-go-betweens-who-gave-emails-to-wikileaks/index.html

The incoming Trump administration will ask the U.S. tax payer to pay for the Mexico border wall, and try to get re-reimbursement from Mexico later.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mexico-wall-idUSKBN14Q1B9

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/index.html

Several Automakers are facing some fears in regards to new tariffs on cars produced in Mexico and sold in the U.S.  Toyota stock plunged after President-Elect Trump tweeted abut threatened new tariffs.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-autos-nissan-idUSKBN14Q12O


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Hmm. That's not my impression of CNN. We will have to agree to disagree there. In my opinion, CNN, like the BBC, has a persistent soft left-liberal bias, and doesn't go anywhere near far enough in truly trying to be neutral (PBS Newshour is about the least biased outlet I know of). Rather it fains neutrality. Soft bias can be worse than out and out partisan hackery, like you get at Fox and MSNBC, I believe, as it is more subtle.
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As the stupefying reality of a Trump presidency approaches, there is really nothing other leaders can do except try their best to engage with it. In that context, this report is encouraging so far as Britain is concerned. Although Boris Johnson is a far more attractive figure than the president-elect (not hard), I can imagine the two of them getting on quite well, they are similarly devoid of tact (mitigated by charm in Boris's case) and each has a total disregard for normal diplomatic niceties and a creative way with insults. Though I suppose that could also lead to them not getting on at all.

A better relationship between the West and Russia is one of the few positives I hope for from the Trump presidency, and it is good to see also that that was focussed on in the discussions. As an aside, quite how anyone thought such a trip by one of the world's most recognisable political figures could be kept secret is beyond me. And as another, I'm not actually hoping that something happens to derail Trump's taking office. The reason? Mike Pence strikes me as worse. And that is hard.
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I don't know if Mr. Trump has ever met Mr. Johnson, but I suspect that they will either get on like a house on fire or they will burn each other to ciders.  As you stated, Boris Johnson has the benefit of some charm, while Trump seems to feel that charm is largely unnecessary.  

It is expected that the President-Elect will be invited to carry out a state visit to the United Kingdom early in his term, and that Windsor Castle will be the setting.  However there are some nerves over some of his behavior and public statements in regard to the late Diana, Princess of Wales.  One can't imagine that the Queen, the Prince or Wales, or more especially Princes William and Harry would be terribly comfortable with him in light of all the publicity over this.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-wanted-princess-diana-to-be-his-trophy-wife-bbc-anchor-2015178

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Whatever we all think of CNN, I think we can agree Buzzfeed is trash:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443769/shame-buzzfeed-journalistic-malpractice-undermines-faith-democracy-news-media

I do think this highlights some of the problems with the anti-Trump hysteria that seems to be undiminished since his election, and to have gripped even relatively respectable parts of the mainstream media.
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Peter Hitchens is unimpressed by the claims to certainty, or near-certainty, about Russian hacking in the election.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/01/too-much-piety-and-too-much-reporting-of-allegation-as-fact.html

Technically, there was no hacking, as hacking means changing programs or systems through clandestine infiltration, whereas the allegations are all about just releasing information. It does seem the Obama administration and influential parts of the press aren't in a rush to correct the impression (which at least a considerable minority of Democrats believes) that the Russians may have interfered in the actual voting, and not just released emails. This is would help Putin undermine the legitimacy of the election.

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Hacking also can mean obtaining information by unauthorised intrusion into a computer system, which is what has been alleged. I saw the report about Trump a couple of days ago and noted that it did not amount to much more than unsubstantiated allegations, so filed it under 'await developments, if any'. Though really there aren't too many things you could allege about Trump's sexual behaviour that would be much more repulsive than what he openly boasted of. Before being elected just the same.

The allegations about anti-Democrat hacking have more credibility simply because of the stature of the people who have seen the evidence and said they believe them, even though that evidence has not so far as I am aware been released publicly. What if anything to do about Russia's possible interference with the US electoral process is another question, one to which I don't have answers.
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I don't think anyone, in the intelligence community, is suggesting Russia altered vote tallies or did anything more than access emails and the like.

There are credible voices that suggest Russia did access the DNC systems (though it must be pointed out the same was true about claims of WMD, and that the Obama administration, Democrats, and sections of the press are playing up Russian influence for political reasons). What seems much harder to prove is this was do to help Trump win, instead of just tarnish an incoming president Clinton and sow discord in the American political system. Unless the intelligence officials have access to the top of the Kremlin, that seems like it would be hard to prove.

Of course, Trump being Trump often makes things worse and plays into his opponents hands. He should be defusing the issue, not getting slanging match with the intelligence community.
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Or even defusing it. Though damping down anything is hardly Trump's style. I think selective leaking qualifies as interference, nothing so crude as actually falsifying the count would be required to make that accusation. As for access to the top of the Kremlin, the Soviet Union has thankfully gone for ever, but Churchill's remarks on it hold good for the modern state: 'I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.' Which I don't in the least blame Putin for pursuing, it is his duty to do so. Without any regard at all to scruple? Going by his record, none, which also helps the credibility of the allegations. Though of course doesn't prove them true.
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Well after the fiasco of yesterday's press conference it is clear that a Trump administration is going to be difficult to stomach for people who believe in a free press.  Even FOX News, the flagship of American neo-conservatism denounced the President-Elect's treatment of CNN's correspondent, and the threat issued by his Press Secretary to expel the reporter from the room.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/12/fox-news-defends-cnn-donald-trump/

Trump has tried to conflate the coverage of the Russian hacking scandal by CNN with that of Buzzfeed.  CNN did not publish, or link to coverage of, the 35 page report prepared by a former British MI6 agent.  Buzzfeed did.  However, the war that the incoming administration has declared on the press and on the intelligence services has the potential to destroy his presidency even before he has begun.  He even contemptuously attacked powerful figures in his own party such as Senator Lindsey Graham.  He can't stop attacking Hilary Clinton and comparing himself to her even though the campaign is long over, and Mrs. Clinton is done with electoral politics. Such insecurity and hostility have evaporated any chance that a post electoral "Honeymoon period" which incoming presidents use to push through key objectives in their early days can even happen for Trump.   

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-news-conference-analysis-20170111-story.html

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/17/trump-highest-unfavorable-rating-president-elect-24-years.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/can-rift-between-trump-intel-community-be-healed-n705911

It turns out that the dossier that has shaken the incoming administration and put the Press and the Intelligence community at war with Trump, was handed to the secret services by none other than powerful senior Republican Senator McCain, another enemy Trump should not have made.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4108960/How-Trump-s-nemesis-John-McCain-kicked-Kremlin-memo-scandal-handing-dossier-FBI-sending-emissary-abroad-collect-it.html

Then there is the now overshadowed subject of conflict of interest that was supposed to be the topic of yesterday's press conference.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-conflicts-of-interest-business-organization/512861/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/11/ethics_head_calls_trump_s_plan_to_resolve_conflicts_of_interest_meaningless.html


This is all just too messy!

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To be fair Lindsay Graham is as bad as John Bolton. I'd be quite happy to see him rebuked myself, though I like the man personally.

Peter,

There'd be hell to pay if I ever started correcting posters' typos. [wink]

Certainly it is interference. But there is quite a difference between leaking what people actually said and changing vote counts. I don't think it can be said Putin stole the election for Trump or anything like that, though the Obama administration and parts of the press don't seem adverse to that impression floating around.
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