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I'm sorry, head_statue.  I've hardly considered requirements for white identity.  In the post about white identity and assimilation, I thought mostly about immigrants who refuse to adopt an American way of life, even after the become American citizens.


I was thinking about a letter which hitler wrote right after world war 1 complaining that the jews didn't assimilate. Then when he came to power he passed the nuremberg laws and did his best to make sure that jews [B]did not assimilate[\B] and keep the "aryan race" "pure"....
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Ethio, "the American way of life" is hard to define.  Yes, I'm a monarchist.  For me, the United Kingdom of North America would be ideal.  But since I know that this country won't become a kingdom, I'm still happy to conserve everything that's good about this country.  I'm not idealistic enough to want a utopia.  I am realistic enough to know that sometimes I need to settle for something less than the ideal.
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For the nazis to qualify as aryan for an ordinary german they would have to be aryan for three generations, and for waffen ss officers, up to 1750 or 7 generations. Further than that they didn't care about any jew ancestors, i assume if you are less stringent than a nazi it would be three too (pushkin would be white under this)
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For the nazis to qualify as aryan for an ordinary german they would have to be aryan for three generations, and for waffen ss officers, up to 1750 or 7 generations. Further than that they didn't care about any jew ancestors, i assume if you are less stringent than a nazi it would be three too (pushkin would be white under this)

I'm beginning to regret that I used the phrase "white identity," head_statue, and I hope you're not wondering whether I'm sympathetic to Nazism or to anything even remotely like it.  Here in America, extreme liberals seem to think it's all right to be proud to be almost anything but white, whatever standards they use to tell the difference between whites and nonwhites.
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For the nazis to qualify as aryan for an ordinary german they would have to be aryan for three generations, and for waffen ss officers, up to 1750 or 7 generations. Further than that they didn't care about any jew ancestors, i assume if you are less stringent than a nazi it would be three too (pushkin would be white under this)
<br />I'm beginning to regret that I used the phrase "white identity," head_statue, and I hope you're not wondering whether I'm sympathetic to Nazism or to anything even remotely like it.  Here in America, extreme liberals seem to think it's all right to be proud to be almost anything but white, whatever standards they use to tell the difference between whites and nonwhites.


You should define what you mean by assimilation, is it religion and language?
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You should define what you mean by assimilation, is it religion and language?

When I say I want legal immigrants to assimilate, I mean that I want them to adopt the language, customs and so forth of the country they're emigrating to.  If Chinese people, for example, want to live in China Town, to speak their native language at home and in other places do Chinese customs . . .after the become American citizens, that's fine with me. I'm not asking anyone to reject his heritage.  I want immigrants to Americanize when they become American citizens.  

Sadly, I'm sure this country is full of legal immigrants who resent that other Americans expect them to learn English, to learn American history, to transfer their national loyalty from their home country to this one . . .  If immigrants to America don't want to Americanize, why don't they visit on a visa then leave when they're ready to go?

I wasn't talking about genetics when I used the phrase "national suicide."  I was talking about immigrants who might become American citizens without adopting American culture.

How much of English society would be left if foreigners deported every citizen of England and turned that country's land into a home for "transplanted foreigners" who rejected anything uniquely English?

By the way, I'm an absolutist about both truth and morality.
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You should define what you mean by assimilation, is it religion and language?
<br />When I say I want legal immigrants to assimilate, I mean that I want them to adopt the language, customs and so forth of the country they're emigrating to.  If Chinese people, for example, want to live in China Town, to speak their native language at home and in other places do Chinese customs . . .after the become American citizens, that's fine with me. I'm not asking anyone to reject his heritage.  I want immigrants to Americanize when they become American citizens.  <br /><br />Sadly, I'm sure this country is full of legal immigrants who resent that other Americans expect them to learn English, to learn American history, to transfer their national loyalty from their home country to this one . . .  If immigrants to America don't want to Americanize, why don't they visit on a visa then leave when they're ready to go?<br /><br />I wasn't talking about genetics when I used the phrase "national suicide."  I was talking about immigrants who might become American citizens without adopting American culture.<br /><br />How much of English society would be left if foreigners deported every citizen of England and turned that country's land into a home for "transplanted foreigners" who rejected anything uniquely English?<br /><br />By the way, I'm not a relativist in any sense of the word "relativist."


There is no way any asian or african language will displace english in america. The children of legal immigrants, and immigrants up to their middle ages can speak english. Alot of old people cannot, but they aren't expected to work. In many asian and african countries English is displacing native languages, in south africa and nigeria, and in singapore and malaysia. Alot of immigrant parents only speak to their children in english on purpose,i noticed this in urban areas. And Some of their native language newspapers that they are often reading, if you look closely, are about american news.

I understand about national loyalty, but that isnt the problem with legal immigrants in america, thats the problem in europe. In America immigrants are just adopting one the worst aspect of modern american life- materialism- they move here just to make tons of money and buy big houses and cars, they think america is all about making money and getting wealthy, buying tons of property, and not anything else, i agree that they don't learn american history or the meaningful parts of america besides capitalist materialism, but they dont expect to displace the english language and replace it with their own culture.
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There is no way any asian or african language will displace english in america. The children of legal immigrants, and immigrants up to their middle ages can speak english. Alot of old people cannot, but they aren't expected to work. In many asian and african countries English is displacing native languages, in south africa and nigeria, and in singapore and malaysia. Alot of immigrant parents only speak to their children in english on purpose,i noticed this in urban areas. And Some of their native language newspapers that they are often reading, if you look closely, are about american news. I understand about national loyalty, but that isnt the problem with legal immigrants in america, thats the problem in europe. In America immigrants are just adopting one the worst aspect of modern american life- materialism- they move here just to make tons of money and buy big houses and cars, they think america is all about making money and getting wealthy, buying tons of property, and not anything else, i agree that they don't learn american history or the meaningful parts of america besides capitalist materialism, but they dont expect to displace the english language and replace it with their own culture.

I agree with you.  In fact, that's partly why my conservatism is European, not American. Sometimes "American conservative" seems short for "an American capitalist pro-lifer who believes in the traditional family."  Too often, "American conservatism" is a synonym for what Chesterton probably would call "economic liberalism."

I watch the Fox News Network because American politics, economics and American politics interest.  But compared to the kind of conservatism I advocate, Fox-style conservatism is materialistic and shallow.

Monarchism attracts me partly because monarchs, I've read, treat their subjects as a national family bound together by a national identity, other social ties, history, tradition, national loyalty.  I want no part of extreme American individualism and no part of materialism.  I prefer to live like a scholarly monk, not like Donald Trump. 

By the way, I'm a distributist, not a capitalist.  To me, Chesterton seems right when he says something like this, "Capitalists contradict themselves.  They want to earn all the profit while they pay employees unjustly low wages for maximum productivity.  But for the capitalists to make their profit, they need to get money from underpaid consumers who buy goods and services from them.  Capitalists want customers to be rich and poor at the same time."
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