Monarchy Forum
Sign up Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 1 of 3      1   2   3   Next
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #1 
I consider the dissolution of Austria-Hungary a good thing, because the ethnic groups of Austria-Hungary lacked a shared national identity, but it was sad, that Hungary didn't become a Habsburg kingdom. Archduke Joseph August ought to have become king, because he was born in Hungary and considered himself a Hungarian. He was briefly the regent of Hungary in 1919 after the overthrow of the Hungarian Soviet Republic, but was forced to resign by the Allies on August 23 1919. Hungary was a de-jure kingdom during the interwar era, while not having a king. Joseph August would have been a far better choice for king of Hungary than Emperor Karl, who tried to regain the throne of Hungary in 1921. If the Hungarian monarchy is restored in the future, I want a descendant of Joseph August to become king or queen of Hungary.
Admiral_Horthy

Registered:
Posts: 62
Reply with quote  #2 
There is a direct male-line descendant, Archduke Joseph Karl, born in 1960. There is also a Hapsburg living in Hungary, Eduard Habsburg-Lothringen, who is the ambassador to the Holy See.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 7,519
Reply with quote  #3 
Archduke Karl's younger brother Archduke Georg is also a long-term resident of Hungary.
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #4 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Archduke Karl's younger brother Archduke Georg is also a long-term resident of Hungary.

The Habsburgs retaining a connection to Hungary is very encouraging. Perhaps Hungary isn't a lost cause to monarchism. 
Admiral_Horthy

Registered:
Posts: 62
Reply with quote  #5 
Too bad that the Empire couldn't, or didn't, evolve into a Commonwealth with a common defense and currency but with greater internal autonomy among the constituent nations. It could have provided a significant power balance against communist Russia, Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy.
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #6 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral_Horthy
Too bad that the Empire couldn't, or didn't, evolve into a Commonwealth with a common defense and currency but with greater internal autonomy among the constituent nations. It could have provided a significant power balance against communist Russia, Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy.

You have a point, because all successor states of Austria-Hungary were ruled by Communist regimes during the Cold War except Austria. I prefer sovereign nation-states to multinational empires, but a loose Austro-Hungarian confederation may have been the best option for Austria, Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the interwar era. But trying to restore the Austro-Hungarian Empire today is a bad idea. Austria, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina (the current successor states of Austria-Hungary) ought to remain independent states. But monarchists ought to support Habsburg restorations in those countries. Hungary is the country, in which a Habsburg restoration is most likely to happen, because Hungary has a conservative nationalist government, and because some Habsburgs retain close ties to Hungary. Long live the independent Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary!
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #7 
If Czechia becomes a monarchy, the king of Czechia ought to be a descendant of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his Czech wife.

felipe31

Registered:
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #8 

The fall of the empire was terrible! different ethnic and religious groups lived together and in peace. The fall of the empire encouraged nationalism which caused great losses in lives.
Another consequence is that Hitler could easily advance on the weak states that were born with the fall of the empire

azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #9 
Quote:
Originally Posted by felipe31

The fall of the empire was terrible! different ethnic and religious groups lived together and in peace. The fall of the empire encouraged nationalism which caused great losses in lives.
Another consequence is that Hitler could easily advance on the weak states that were born with the fall of the empire


I'm a nationalist. I prefer nation states to empires. I'm a German nationalist. I support Anschluss, but I'm a staunch opponent of Nazism, because I'm strongly opposed to racism and antisemitism. Austria ought to have been allowed to join the Weimar Republic.
The Habsburg monarchy ought to have been restored in Hungary after World War I. 
felipe31

Registered:
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #10 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azadi

I'm a nationalist. I prefer nation states to empires. I'm a German nationalist. I support Anschluss, but I'm a staunch opponent of Nazism, because I'm strongly opposed to racism and antisemitism. Austria ought to have been allowed to join the Weimar Republic.
The Habsburg monarchy ought to have been restored in Hungary after World War I. 


Nationalism was what Hitler used to advance on Austria and Czechoslovakia and the reason for invading Poland and starting the worst war in history.
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #11 
Quote:
Originally Posted by felipe31


Nationalism was what Hitler used to advance on Austria and Czechoslovakia and the reason for invading Poland and starting the worst war in history.

Austria wanted to join Germany after World War I, but the victors of World War I banned Anschluss.
I like the Ottoman Empire, despite preferring nation states to empires. I want an Osmanoglu (a descendant of the Ottoman sultans) to be elected Shah of Kurdistan, because Kurdistan was part of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was tolerant of Kurdish culture and the Kurdish language. 
felipe31

Registered:
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #12 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azadi

Austria wanted to join Germany after World War I, but the victors of World War I banned Anschluss.
I like the Ottoman Empire, despite preferring nation states to empires. I want an Osmanoglu (a descendant of the Ottoman sultans) to be elected Shah of Kurdistan, because Kurdistan was part of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was tolerant of Kurdish culture and the Kurdish language. 

From what I see in the news, the Kurds don't like the Turks. I doubt they accept a Turkish monarch.
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #13 
Quote:
Originally Posted by felipe31

From what I see in the news, the Kurds don't like the Turks. I doubt they accept a Turkish monarch.

Most Kurds indeed dislike Turkey, because Turkey is opposed to Kurdish independence from Iraq and because Turkey tried to commit ethnic cleansing against the Syrian Kurds in October 2019. Russia prevented ethnic cleansing of the Syrian Kurds. The Ottoman Empire was tolerant of Kurdish culture and the Kurdish language, but Atatürk, the founder of the Republic of Turkey, oppressed the Kurds. He tried to eradicate the Kurdish language.
I want an Osmanoglu, who supports Kurdish independence from Iraq, to be elected Shah of Kurdistan. I want Kurdistan to obtain independence as a republic, if no Osmanoglu supports Kurdish independence from Iraq. 
Pallavicini

Registered:
Posts: 58
Reply with quote  #14 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azadi
If Czechia becomes a monarchy, the king of Czechia ought to be a descendant of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his Czech wife.


There was interest in offering a Czechoslovak crown to Count Karel Kunata Kottulinsky (prior to 1905 he was Count Karel Kunata Dobrzensky, but then he was adopted by his maternal aunt) (1877-1939). He married a Habsburg-Lothringen lady, Countess Maria Theresia von Meran (1893-1981). Their descendants have married into several Gotha families.

__________________
“We're all born naked, and the rest is drag.”  - RuPaul
azadi

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,474
Reply with quote  #15 
Electing an Osmanoglu Shah of Kurdistan will prevent a Turkish invasion of Kurdistan, if Kurdistan unilaterally declares independence from Iraq, because Erdogan supports Ottoman nostalgia. 
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.