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This is talking about events last year, but it gives you the picture.


And such a lovely picture it is...
The Daily Wire is a mouth-piece of the right and PM Netanyahu is one of their darlings. According to Snopes, the publication “has a tendency to share stories that are taken out of context or not verified.”

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Ok, but is what is reported true? The rest is fallacy.

Snopes is hardly an unbiased authority. It has a clear left-liberal bias, like most of the well-known fact check sites. Even Facebook had to give it the boot because it kept trying to fact check the Christian satire site, The Babylon Bee. Heck, I'm surprised anyone would even mention Snopes as some kind of authority after that fiasco. It isn't even like they just tried it once - they couldn't let it go. The Babylon Bee owns Snopes almost as completely as Ted Cruz owns Deadspin:

https://babylonbee.com/news/snopes-rolls-out-new-opinion-check-feature

Anyway, you can tell the mainstream media don't know anything about Israel because they associate the current Israeli position on the Palestinian question (and the Iranian one) with Netanyahu. They strongly imply that the Blue and White Party would have a substantially different position, which is just nonsense. The Dailywire, especially Shapiro, actually knows something about Israel and Israeli politics.
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Just incidentally, CNN, who have just lost the plot in the Trump era, further has slighted its own reputation by going after the same satirical site:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/attacks-on-the-babylon-bee-are-attacks-on-free-expression/

If Trump gets reelected - and, to be honest, the odds on that aren't terrible - I think CNN won't survive his second term. They'll have to shutdown.
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A typically robust view on the crisis from Richard Littlejohn. It's not too often I find myself agreeing with him, but here I must admit I kind of do.
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A typically robust view on the crisis from Richard Littlejohn. It's not too often I find myself agreeing with him, but here I must admit I kind of do.

A US invasion of Iran will not trigger a World War III, because neither Russia nor China will intervene in a US-Iran war. The Iranian regime being overthrown will change the Middle East for the better. A secular Iranian regime will not be hostile to Israel and it may support Kurdish independence from Iraq. 
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Why Russia will remain neutral in a US-Iran war:
https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-will-russia-react-killing-soleimani

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Ok, but is what is reported true? The rest is fallacy..


I leave you to that most impresive & elaborate echo-chamber.  Enjoy, and be happy!

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I leave you to that most impresive & elaborate echo-chamber.  Enjoy, and be happy!

USA ought to invade Iran in order to overthrow the Ayatollah regime and establish a secular democracy in Iran. Ali Khamenei and Hassan Rouhani ought to be hanged by the US Army. The Islamic Republic of Iran resembles Nazi Germany. The US military government in Germany purged Nazis. The US military government in Iran ought to purge supporters of the Ayatollah regime. Germany is currently a stable democracy, which rejects totalitarianism. Iran may become a stable secular democracy, if the US Army purges supporters of the Ayatollah regime. 
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I leave you to that most impresive & elaborate echo-chamber.  Enjoy, and be happy!
Snopes? Or CNN? They're all yours.

https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-attacks-babylon-bee-the-internet-is-only-big-enough-for-one-fake-news-site

"Reporters at the media outlet also pointed out that their news was "much faker" than The Babylon Bee's.

"They're obviously amateurs over there at The Bee," said Brian Stelter. "A lot of times, their reporting comes true. If you're gonna do fake news, do it right -- 100% fake, guaranteed, 24/7. They really should learn from the pros over here at CNN."

"Stay out of our territory," he growled."

Will Snopes fact-check this one?



Anyway, snide comments instead of arguments aren't very helpful or mature.
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Anyway, from one silliness to another, Trump should probably stop mouthing off (though, at this stage, how likely is that?):

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/qasem-soleimani-killing-trump-rhetoric-dangerous-unproductive/
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Anyway, from one silliness to another, Trump should probably stop mouthing off (though, at this stage, how likely is that?):

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/qasem-soleimani-killing-trump-rhetoric-dangerous-unproductive/

Why does any member of this forum oppose USA going to war against the Islamic Republic of Iran? The Iranian Ayatollah regime is a totalitarian regime, which is hostile to Western civilization and which supports antisemitism. The Iranian Ayatollah regime wants to obliterate Israel.
Pallavicini claims, that the Islamic Republic of Iran is no worse than Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Russian Federation. That's nonsense. Israel is a democracy, Saudi Arabia is a traditional ally of USA and the Putin regime is authoritarian, but not totalitarian. 
I support restoration of the Iranian monarchy, but a Lion and Sun Republic of Iran will also be a vast improvement over the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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I don't think he said that Israel was as bad as Saudi Arabia or Russia. That would be a very warped claim. I do think Israel has an interest in Iran's behaviour that isn't necessarily shared by the US, but I don't blame Israel itself for its position - it seems rational enough - nor that it is Netanyahu's peculiar ideological position: the Blue and White Party would take a similar position.


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I don't think he said that Israel was as bad as Saudi Arabia or Russia. That would be a very warped claim. I do think Israel has an interest in Iran's behaviour that isn't necessarily shared by the US, but I don't blame Israel itself for its position - it seems rational enough - nor that it is Netanyahu's peculiar ideological position: the Blue and White Party would take a similar position.



Condemning Trump, because he supports Saudi Arabia, makes no sense, because Saudi Arabia is a traditional ally of USA.
Comparing the Russian Federation to the Islamic Republic of Iran is wrong, because the Putin regime isn't totalitarian.
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Why does any member of this forum oppose USA going to war against the Islamic Republic of Iran? The Iranian Ayatollah regime is a totalitarian regime, which is hostile to Western civilization and which supports antisemitism. The Iranian Ayatollah regime wants to obliterate Israel.


For a moment there I thought you were talking about your much applauded King Bashar of Syria or Gaddafi, King of Kings of Africa.
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For a moment there I thought you were talking about your much applauded King Bashar of Syria or Gaddafi, King of Kings of Africa.

King Bashar of Syria is a secularist, unlike the Iranian Ayatollah regime, and he was willing to make peace with Israel in exchange for regaining the Golan Heights before the Syrian Civil War. King Bashar of Syria is preferable to PYD, the Syrian branch of PKK, a Kurdish Communist terrorist movement, and to the Islamist Syrian rebels. 
Gaddafi, King of Kings of Africa, supported international terrorism, when he was a republican pan-Arabist, but he ceased to support international terrorism, when he became a monarchist pan-Africanist. Gaddafi, King of Kings of Africa, supported traditional African monarchies, while the Islamic Republic of Iran is hostile to monarchies. 
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