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azadi

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Today, the Turkish Armed Forces has invaded northern Syria, which is controlled by PYD, the Syrian branch of PKK, a Kurdish Communist terrorist movement. Kurdistan will soon be rid of Communist tyranny. Erdogan is a hero like Franco. AZAD KURDISTAN! (free Kurdistan)
https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/091020191

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Russia refused to accept the UN Security Council condemning the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria. Great Britain and France wanted the EU to condemn the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria, and Germany sadly supported the disgraceful proposal of Great Britain and France. But at least Germany refused to send troops to Northern Syria in order to support PYD, when USA requested it in July, while Great Britain and France wanted to send troops to Northern Syria in order to support PYD.
https://www.dw.com/en/divided-un-fails-to-agree-on-turkeys-syria-offensive/a-50786639

Russia is the best friend of Kurdistan among the great powers. Russia supported the Kurdish independence referendum in 2017 unlike USA, and Russia wants to save Kurdistan from Communism unlike Great Britain and France. 
https://theglobepost.com/2017/07/13/russia-signals-acceptance-of-kurdistans-independence-from-iraq/


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Here's a good article on the issue:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-the-syrian-kurds-arent-necessarily-our-friends/

The backlash on Trump over this has been disquieting. Some of it is no doubt Trump derangement. People who wouldn't have batted an eye lid if Obama had done this are accusing Trump of genocide. Then there's the predictable neocon attacks. There's talk of needing the Syrian Kurdish groups to make sure ISIS don't return, with American presence to oversee it. However, it is reasonably clear, and has been for some time, that the best way to crush ISIS and the Nusra front for good is to have the Syrian government win the civil war, as unpalatable as that is. Short of creating a united Kurdistan across Syria and Iraq, that likely means the end of autonomous areas like this. Then there are some well-meaning folks who don't seem to realise there's a difference between Iraqi Kurdistan and the PKK Iinked groups in Syria
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Here's a good article on the issue:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-the-syrian-kurds-arent-necessarily-our-friends/

The backlash on Trump over this has been disquieting. Some of it is no doubt Trump derangement. People who wouldn't have batted an eye lid if Obama had done this are accusing Trump of genocide. Then there's the predictable neocon attacks. There's talk of needing the Syrian Kurdish groups to make sure ISIS don't return, with American presence to oversee it. However, it is reasonably clear, and has been for some time, that the best way to crush ISIS and the Nusra front for good is to have the Syrian government win the civil war, as unpalatable as that is. Short of creating a united Kurdistan across Syria and Iraq, that likely means the end of autonomous areas like this. Then there are some well-meaning folks who don't seem to realise there's a difference between Iraqi Kurdistan and the PKK Iinked groups in Syria

Accusing Trump of supporting genocide of Kurds is nonsense. Trump has actually expressed support for introducing sanctions against Turkey, if Turkey conducts ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds.
The KRG ought to allow civilian Kurdish refugees from Syria to settle in South (Iraqi) Kurdistan, but YPG fighters (YPG is the armed wing of PYD) must not be allowed to enter South (Iraqi) Kurdistan. Allowing Communist terrorists to settle in South (Iraqi) Kurdistan is a great security risk. 
KRG didn't loose any autonomy after the independence referendum of 2017, and the Peshmerga remains an independent army controlled by KRG. It's true, that the Iraqi army occupied Kirkuk, where the largest oil fields of Kurdistan are situated, on October 16 2017, but Kirkuk was controlled by the Iraqi army until June 12 2014, when the Peshmerga occupied it. On another Internet forum, I once discussed with an American, who lives in South (Iraqi) Kurdistan. He said, that Kurdish independence from Iraq is inevitable in the long run.

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I find the whole episode utterly revolting. Turkish aggression under Erdogan is unacceptable to everyone, be they Arabs, Kurds, Christians or Jews.
azadi

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I find the whole episode utterly revolting. Turkish aggression under Erdogan is unacceptable to everyone, be they Arabs, Kurds, Christians or Jews.

As a staunch anti-Communist, why do you support PYD, the Syrian branch of PKK, which is a Communist terrorist movement, against Erdogan? I'm not terribly fond of Erdogan, because he promotes religious intolerance and anti-Semitism in Turkey, but the Republican People's Party supports the Turkish invasion of northern Syria too. Defeating Communism in Kurdistan is of paramount importance to me as an anti-Communist Kurd. But I hope, that Turkey will avoid committing ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds. Trump has declared, that he will introduce sanctions against Turkey, if Turkey commits ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds. I hope, that Erdogan will listen to Trump and fight PYD terrorists rather than civilian Syrian Kurds. 
azadi

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Germany and France have introduced an arms embargo against Turkey. That is a very wrong decision. As a German citizen, I urge my government to reverse its decision. But at least Germany refused to send troops to Syria in order to help PYD, when USA requested it in July, while France and Great Britain were willing to send troops to Syria in order to help PYD. France has strongly supported PYD during the Syrian Civil War. In addition, the German Bundeswehr trains the Peshmerga (the army of KRG), and has stationed 150 soldiers in South (Iraqi) Kurdistan as part of the international coalition against ISIS. Germany isn't an enemy of the Kurds unlike France, Great Britain and the Republican US senators and congressmen, who oppose Trump's decision to allow Turkey to invade northern Syria. Hungary, which is ruled by the national conservative government of Viktor Orban, supports the Turkish invasion of northern Syria, and Spain hasn't condemned the Turkish invasion of northern Syria, unlike France, Great Britain, Germany and Italy.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-government-bans-weapons-exports-to-turkey/a-50807998
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As a staunch anti-Communist, why do you support PYD, the Syrian branch of PKK, which is a Communist terrorist movement, against Erdogan?


I don't. That's why I find the situation maddening. No good choices between Assad, Erdogan and the PKK here. Nobody wins.
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I don't. That's why I find the situation maddening. No good choices between Assad, Erdogan and the PKK here. Nobody wins.

I know, that you are strongly opposed to the Iranian regime, and that you hate Assad, because he is an ally of the Iranian regime. I'm opposed to the Iranian regime too, and I hope, that the Iranian people will overthrow the regime. But Assad is the least bad option in Syria. He is a brutal dictator, but he is a secularist and he isn't a Communist. Assad is definitely preferable to PKK/PYD and the Turkish-backed Islamist rebels. You appear to place the struggle against the Iranian regime above everything else in the Middle East, but as a Kurd, I consider defending Kurdistan against Communist terrorism far more important than fighting the Iranian regime. 
I support the Turkish invasion of northern Syria, because Turkey is the only country, which is able to push the US troops out of Syria due to Turkey being a NATO member. When Turkey has occupied northern Syria and the US troops have left Syria, Russia may force Turkey to withdraw from northern Syria and allow Assad to reconquer northern Syria.
The Republican People's Party of Turkey supports the Turkish invasion of northern Syria. Despite being a monarchist, I support the Republican People's Party, which is a secularist party. Erdogan's rule has changed the Republican People's Party for the better. It has moved away from rigid Kemalist secularism, and it has become more pro-Kurdish.
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USA will withdraw all its troops from northern Syria. Finally, US interference in Syria will end. At the same time, PYD appears to be willing to surrender to Assad and Russia in order to stop the Turkish invasion of northern Syria.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-syria-mark-esper-secretary-of-defense-us-preparing-to-evacuate-all-troops-from-northern-syria-face-the-nation/
azadi

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PYD HAS SURRENDERED TO ASSAD AND RUSSIA!
https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/131020194
azadi

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Assad's army is entering the Kurdish regions of Syria:
https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/14102019
azadi

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Turkey wants to continue its invasion of northern Syria, despite PYD having surrendered to Assad. Turkey continuing its invasion of northern Syria after the surrender of PYD is unacceptable! The Western countries ought to support Assad and Russia defending the Syrian Kurds from Turkish ethnic cleansing!
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/14577e82-eff9-428b-9d23-2c6992ce093e 

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Syria, whose current official name is the Syrian Arab Republic, ought to be renamed the Republic of Syria, because we Kurds aren't Arabs. In addition, Assad ought to grant the Syrian Kurds more linguistic and cultural rights, but I'm opposed to Kurdish autonomy in Syria, because I'm opposed to PKK ruling the Kurdish regions of Syria. 
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LONG LIVE THE TRIPLE ALLIANCE!

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