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Peter

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Because you want me to admit that something you assert is true, on the basis that you assert it. I'm not going to do that.
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Because you want me to admit that something you assert is true, on the basis that you assert it. I'm not going to do that.

I don't want you to assert that the Russian monarchy is likely to be restored. I haven't claimed that the Russian monarchy is more likely to be restored than Russia remaining a republic. I have merely claimed that Russian monarchism is stronger than German monarchism. I would like to know why you deny that Russian monarchism is stronger than German monarchism.
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I neither deny nor assert it. I don't have credible facts and figures for the strength of monarchism in either country, and would need those for both before coming to an opinion. You have not provided any, and I am not inclined to dig them out for myself, since it's not me making the demands. It's you. I really don't see why you care so much what my opinion is on the question anyway. It's not like anything I think is going to make a difference.
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I don't want you to assert that the Russian monarchy is likely to be restored. I haven't claimed that the Russian monarchy is more likely to be restored than Russia remaining a republic. I have merely claimed that Russian monarchism is stronger than German monarchism. I would like to know why you deny that Russian monarchism is stronger than German monarchism.


You've said the same thing multiple times. You haven't made any convincing arguments why. 

If you want someone to agree to your position, you have to define not only your position, but rational basis for it. And that rational basis need also be strong enough evidence to convince someone who is not already convinced. 

I too cannot agree with your statement. I see no credible path forward for a restoration in either nations, and small amounts of support from a handful of politicians and small percentages of the population don't make anything more likely. They are at the margins, and the margins can easily be swept away and changed by major world events that may happen in the next 50 years.

I'd say with both Germany and Russia, the chances are non-zero, but pretty close to zero. If the difference is Germany being 0.001% and Russia being 0.1% (numbers I made up for sake of argument), even at two orders of magnitude difference in chance, both are still so negligible as to be equally meaningless compared to external factors that may shape things to come. 

In order to convince me, you'd have to convince me that there is a statistically meaningful chance of one happening over the other. And I don't see that as likely.
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I neither deny nor assert it. I don't have credible facts and figures for the strength of monarchism in either country, and would need those for both before coming to an opinion. You have not provided any, and I am not inclined to dig them out for myself, since it's not me making the demands. It's you. I really don't see why you care so much what my opinion is on the question anyway. It's not like anything I think is going to make a difference.

Konstantin Malofeyev, a prominent Russian oligarch, who supports Putin, will found a new monarchist party in Russia. I will endorse the new party of Malofeyev in the Duma election in 2021.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/russia-domestic-violence-law/

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