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I never mentioned my number of posts, just that people who are regulars here will feel they know me without needing to consult a profile. As simple prudence I do not post personal data on public websites. and I wince for example every time a birthday announcement comes up, since your birthdate is one of the main things one should not post. I think everyone here knows that I am British, gay, an atheist but nevertheless both interested in and argumentative about religion, and keen on cricket, royal and noble genealogy and the music of Bob Dylan. Will that suffice for a profile, since you are new?

I do not trade in hints of secret knowledge and royal persons I am associated with, nor do I say "I have done similar work" without mentioning what or where. My work is here for all to see, and linked to public sources from which all can check it, should they wish. Where is yours. Mr Openness?

It is obvious that we clashed immediately, however,  it was of no fault of mine.  Your number of posts is beside your name, so you needed not to mention it.  Now that I know you are gay, I am extremely surprised we clashed at all!  Hind sight is 20-20.  You should have been far more pleasant with your first post and greeting, such as "Welcome to the forum".  Instead you immediately went on the attack and questioned my knowledge, experience, education, and personal connections. I do not believe this is a place, nor is there any need to identify publications and work(s) sighted.  What you offered is simply that. I have offered other things, and what one brings to the table is what should be important. Birthday's in America are celebrated, and there is no data circulating that warrant not using them on a secure sight.

Due to the security nature of my work, I chose not to tangle with a web nor get to close to a fire.  This is how you have treated a new comer to this page. You told me to "go away" on each of your posts, threatening me to some extent.  I find that rude, and in very poor taste.  After that, anyone would defend themselves literally, as I did.  One would be called a "woos" in my country for not defending themselves, gay or otherwise!  "Regulars", as they may be, is indifferent to knowledge.  A new person does not know anyone, and you were extremely inhospitable. It has nothing to do with who I know and who I may be about to meet. I will say that I know a lot of people, and did tell "The Princess" how I was treated here.  I do not have to "trade" any secrets, I simply give the facts.  If you do not know any royal family members, that is fine.  I happen to know quite a few due to the nature of my work. They would all speak for my credibility and integrity if asked  The true facts are known by many people in important places. Do you actually believe they wish for secrets to get to the media? My work is included in several publications and books in three languages, as well as several others I have contributed to which are being published in both Spain and the U.K. now.  "The Princess" has also just completed her first book.  She will be meeting with author, Hannah Pakula, in the U.S. to get a perspective on her publisher's interest. She has been invited to her home.  I will leave it at that.


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OK. you're a nutter. then. I thought so already.

It is most unfortunate that you feel that way.  It is unfortunate, too, that "you can not always teach an old dog new tricks". You truly have no idea what you are talking about. If it's not in "peerage.com" you are just unaware of it.  That's what they want you to think.

At least you know where you heard this bit of history.  The rest you will have to find out for yourself in an already published novel.

Poka!

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Your first post jumped straight into controversy, making claims about the position of an important pretender to a major throne that simply are not true. Your second might as well have been an excerpt from The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail with its rambling fantasies, hints and insinuations of secret knowledge, never to be told but apparently to be deferred to. And that is how you have carried on since. Asserting publication without saying of what and where counts as fantasising, not credentials. Instead of complaining about the welcome, you perhaps should consider what you did to merit it.

I prefer on the whole not to get my history from novels, but in any case some indication of the author and title would be helpful if I am to do that. None such will be forthcoming, I know, you will merely assert your superior knowledge, without ever saying what it is, and deplore my ignorance and bad manners. I don't assert knowledge, I provide it, with references, admit to its lack or stay silent. I consider myself a friendly and courteous person, and would have been perfectly welcoming had your manner of arrival been other than deplorable. Please either take your Princess and go, or clean up your act. This is not my forum and I have no say, or you would be gone already. But while I can ignore lunatics on other questions, I cannot those who assert falsehoods and fantasies about major claimants, and as long as you continue in that vein you will continue to merit my hostile responses.
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Please either take your Princess and go, or clean up your act. This is not my forum and I have no say, or you would be gone already. But while I can ignore lunatics on other questions, I cannot those who assert falsehoods and fantasies about major claimants, and as long as you continue in that vein you will continue to merit my hostile responses.

Totally agree, Peter! 

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Something I forgot to acknowledge, I was proved wrong about alleged unfaithfulness being the only reason for demanding DNA tests. There is also baby exchange. I failed to consider this on the perhaps excusable grounds that the idea is too lunatic to occur to anyone but, well, a lunatic. Which royal person is the changeling is, of course, a secret never to be told, but required to be believed anyway.
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Cletic1: "I have done similar work"....

I'm tossing the 'yeah? Really?' flag,

Link please.


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According to royalcello on another thread, Celtic1 has departed from us. I suppose I am mainly responsible, and I certainly was hostile and unwelcoming to him. Then again, in my opinion he merited hostility and did not merit a welcome, so I don't feel too terribly guilty. In fact, not guilty at all.
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Well, I have a great deal of regard for the apparent effort, and grand results of your charts.  'Similar work' indeed, I've seen precious little of it.

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The second one wasn't too much of an effort, I more or less waltzed through it. The first was enjoyable toil, and the third grim toil, by the time I'd finished it I hated the sight of it, and still do. Maybe I overdid it, and birch pollen season certainly didn't help (I am severely allergic, and essentially feel like I have intermittent really bad flu for several weeks every year, this year making an early start due to a spell of summer-like weather at the beginning of April).

I don't consider myself a real scholar since I am dependent on published sources (Celtic's jibe about peerage.com being true to that extent, and in fact I do use that delightfully eccentric site now and then). As amateurs go, though, I think I'm pretty knowledgeable. He did not on the whole give the impression of being, but he sure was opinionated just the same. My main objection to him was his technique of argument by assertion, unbacked by either fact or reasoning. It works, people tending to believe what they read if they've only read it often enough, which is why I am alert to it and counter it whenever it appears. If his opening post had been left unchallenged, people who haven't enquired into the case might think that there really is some room for doubt over Grand Duchess Maria's right, which by the facts of law and descent there is not.
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I only just saw this conversation instigated by Celtic1's response to my post.   What a very strange exchange.  I found particularly amusing the statements that Peter as a gay person should have been much more pleasant to our new member, and that he knows next to nothing about royal geneologies.   

I hope this inspires you to go out and become a more characteristicly friendly gay person Peter, and that it also inspires you to take your studying of royal geneologies a little more seriously!  Stop disappointing us! 

And shame on the rest of you for not knowing who "the Princess" is.  What kind of royalists are you. 

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I don't understand the gay comment as I didn't understand much of this exchange.  Perhaps a new member should lurk for awhile to get a feel for the dynamic of the place and the personae and accept that unconventional claims may get some push back.    It's like hooking up with any group.

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Or at least save the nuttiness for a little bit....


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Or try very hard to be a polite nut....
That's been my motto.



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 Russian imperial family.


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