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CaesarII

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Dont forget the Principality of Sealand...

Founded in 1967 on a WW2-era sea-fort in the English channel, Sealand now boasts a population of 27, its own currency and passports, a civil war in 1978 and a government-in-exile in Germany.

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I just read that Sealand is currently up for sale. "Prince" Roy Bates, and "Prince Regent" Michael Bates, are willing to "transfer custodianship" for 750 million euro.
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i wonder if anyone will actually buy it. Probably not. I wouldn't.

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Well, If you have farm in USA, and you stop pay taxes and claim Independence from USA, how long will you survive? maybe a month, than it will bi joint operation by FBI Homeland security against you.
 


America is a completely different kettle of fish. The Australian and West Australian Constitution's COMPLETELY deny anyone or any state the right to claim independence from Australia and Western Australia respectively (except in the case of WA where Her Majesty The Queen can divide WA into new colonies and/or territories).

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What Australia did? Nothing, because they don't have legal right, and about 20 citizens with HRH Prince Leonard who lives there, don't pay taxes to Australia for 38 years. I don't know about you, but if I stop paying taxes in my country I would be very fast in jail. 


I think the Australian government has better things to be doing than chasing some nutter around. Just because he hasnt paid taxes to the Commonwealth of Australia doesn't confere legitimacy.

He also would pay tax, no doubt he refuses to pay income tax, but he would pay GST on any Goods and Services he buys. I doubt that Hutt River is self sufficient and I would bet that he the Australian medical system, council resources etc and I doubt that he builds and maintains his own roads to and from his farm. He may choose not to pay certain taxes but he will undoubtabley pay many more than he refuses to pay.

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So, lets stop arguing ok? Peace for everyone!  


Um no. You cant come sprouting this rubbish and expect me not to argue.

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If someone owes me money and I don't colect it, is it still my money? 

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Only Russia and Serbia thinks that it is illegal, rest of the world thinks different


The PRC is no Serbia's side. So am I. Harper is a crazy fascist and Brown is a communist luntic. And the US is just plain stupid.
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So, Principality of Hutt River is like Kosovo.


That's settled then. Kosovo is not a legitimate state so Hutt River must not be one either.
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If someone owes me money and I don't colect it, is it still my money? 


In the US (which is based on Common Law) you have to make the attempt to collect or forgive the debt (something along the lines of estoppal).


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Copy of Austeo Secret, document from Australia:

AUSTEO SECRET
Minister, 

As requested, we have spoken with the Taxation Department. It is their considered opinion that the facts as they are currently available to all parties would suggest the statement issued by one Mr. Leonard James CASLEY known as H.R.H Prince Leonard of Hutt River Province is correct. 

The fact that the Commonwealth has not formally recognized the Principality is a muta point, as the residents of the area do, and there has been now, and in the past a legal uncertainty as to the constitutional aspects of the case.

It is therefore our considered opinion, that subject to guidelines we have had to adopt, the following points are in fact the situation currently

1. Principality is a legal entity.

2.Prince Leonard of Hutt River Province is a person exempted in the Australian Law from Taxation under the current guidelines.

3.The Passport as used by the persons claiming to be Principality Citizens are valid. However, the Act can be used to isolate them by requirement of visa’s. 

4. Nothing, in any legislation currently, would preclude recognition of these facts ever saw the light of day.

It is therefore our suggestion that you at all costs contain this situation. The Department would at your request therefore institute the required action..

http://www.hutt-river.org/AUSTEOSECRET.pdf

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As summarized a bit brutally by the Australian Lawyer Anthony FISHER "This damned place had really seceded and we are talking about a true independent country ".
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I am sorry, but this really is nonsense.  As a game, or to make some sort of political point, this sort of thing is ok, but if the Hutt Riverites really believe that they are independent of Australia, then they are clearly delusional.

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I am sorry, but this really is nonsense.  As a game, or to make some sort of political point, this sort of thing is ok, but if the Hutt Riverites really believe that they are independent of Australia, then they are clearly delusional.



I completely agree.

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AUSTEO SECRET


Austeo documents are never released from outside the Commonwealth government. The only Austeo documents that are shared are military intellegence between Australia and our main allies Great Britain and the US. It is official government policy that Austeo is never shared. So how did Leonard come by this then? Or is it, what I believe, a forgery?

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As summarized a bit brutally by the Australian Lawyer Anthony FISHER "This damned place had really seceded and we are talking about a true independent country ".


So one lawyer's opinion is a basis for independence? You haven't addressed, and neither has Mr. Cassely, the fact that both the Australian and Western Australian Constitutions forbid such a thing.

Bring on some real arguments and not just the copy and pasted text from Mr. Cassely's website.

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I am sorry, but this really is nonsense.  As a game, or to make some sort of political point, this sort of thing is ok, but if the Hutt Riverites really believe that they are independent of Australia, then they are clearly delusional.

 


Completely delusional.

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These people have directly defied the authority of the Queen and I advise them to read Romans 13. They belong on gallows.

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I have visited Nain, the tiny capital of Hutt  River and have met Prince Leonard... Im sorry to disagree with all of you who say that Hutt River is not an independant nation because it is whoever painfull to the Government of Western Australia or the Federal Government in Canberra.
I have seen documents that comfirm this clearly and the truth is that Prince Leonard and his family and the few residents of Nain DO NOT pay Australian taxes.
Australia would be much better of to have official diplomatic relations as this would help the development of the Principality which is land locked and obviously will bring much needed revenue to the whole area.
Prince Leonard is a luminary!
I have become an overseas ctizen and have used my Hutt River passport to travel without any problems except obtaining visas to the visiting countries so what better proof than this!!


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