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DavidV

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Nazim al-Haqqani, a Turkish Cypriot, is leader of the Naqshbandi-Haqqani Sufi Order, which is one of the leading traditional Sufi orders. A profound thinker, he is also known for his strongly monarchist views which are articulated here: http://www.saltanat.org/magazines.php

The website eshaykh.com, affiliated with the Islamic Supreme Council of America (which represents the moderate and traditionalist strain of Islam), also has pieces on justification for monarchy in Islam:
http://eshaykh.com/doctrine/strive-for-monarchy-caliphate/
http://eshaykh.com/halal_haram/kingship-in-islam/

Just as us Christians are obliged to do in defending monarchy and refuting republicanism and revolutionary ideology through Christianity, the same spiritual tools exist within Islam and virtually every other religion. Nazim al-Haqqani's thought-provoking pronouncements on proclaiming the superiority and virtue of monarchy and commentary on modernity ought to resonate with many here!
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Is this the same guy who proclaimed Abdullah II of Jordan should be the Caliph of Islam?
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Yes. Although, Muhammad VI of Morocco would have at least as strong a claim to being such if desired, owing to both kings' descent from Muhammad.
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Yes. Although, Muhammad VI of Morocco would have at least as strong a claim to being such if desired, owing to both kings' descent from Muhammad.


all descendants of muhammad are descneded from his paternal cousin Ali's marriage to muhammad's daughter fatima since he didnt have any surviving sons. so alhtough not directly descended they are still related in the male line, and would have the same family name if they had family names at the time,

many monarchies are descended from muhammad through ali and fatima, the alaouites in morroco, the senussis of libya (descended from the idrisids), the hashemites of jordan, and the hashemites of yemen (according to the zaydi shia religion of the former imamate of yemen, the imam can be any hashemite descended from ali in the male line.) so there are alot of hashemites in yemen and as long as their religion is zaydi, any of them can claim the title of imam if they fight for it.

all of them, the alaouites senussis and hashemites are specifically descended from ali and fatima's son Hassan.

the last hashemite imams of yemen were of the hamid ad din family. the houthi leader is a hashemite from another family and is fighting to make himself imam, but his connections to iran make him a really undesirable figure for monarchists.

the descendants of muhammad al mahdi in sudan, who lead the mahdi ansar sect also claim descent from muhammad, the former prime minister of sudan sadiq al mahdi is a member of this family
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The descendants of the Prophet Mohammed are legion and so saying that His Majesty the King of Morrocco's claim is as good as His Majesty the King of Jordan's does not cover the picture adequately.    The Hashemite family lines alone are quite numerous never mind the royal Alauites and the Idrisids, and the non-royal Mahdis mentioned by head_statue.  The Mammadoch clan of Ethiopia also claims descent from the Prophet, so the Iyasuist line and the Haile Selassie line (through his constort Empress Menen) of the Solomonic Dynasty claim descent from the founder of Islam.  Granted these two Imperial lines are not Moslem so would not qualify for the Caliphate, but there are muslim lines of the Mammadoch.  There are claimed descendants of the Prophet in Iraq and Iran as well.  Any descendant who is of the Islamic faith could claim the Caliphate (and it is not clear at any rate that the Caliph is required to be a blood descendant of the Prophet) so the two kings do not have special qualification other than they are already kings.
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The descendants of the Prophet Mohammed are legion and so saying that His Majesty the King of Morrocco's claim is as good as His Majesty the King of Jordan's does not cover the picture adequately.    The Hashemite family lines alone are quite numerous never mind the royal Alauites and the Idrisids, and the non-royal Mahdis mentioned by head_statue.  The Mammadoch clan of Ethiopia also claims descent from the Prophet, so the Iyasuist line and the Haile Selassie line (through his constort Empress Menen) of the Solomonic Dynasty claim descent from the founder of Islam.  Granted these two Imperial lines are not Moslem so would not qualify for the Caliphate, but there are muslim lines of the Mammadoch.  There are claimed descendants of the Prophet in Iraq and Iran as well.  Any descendant who is of the Islamic faith could claim the Caliphate (and it is not clear at any rate that the Caliph is required to be a blood descendant of the Prophet) so the two kings do not have special qualification other than they are already kings.


i believe that in sunni islam the caliph is oepn to any muslims of the quraysh tribe, the hashemites and umayyads were clans of the quraysh (the abbasids were a branch of the hashemites), but this was ignored by the ottomans who claimed to be caliph

in shia ismailism the lineage of the aga khan is their imam, he decides the heir from his descendents

i mentioned the shia zaydi requirements for the imam in my previous message

in twelver shiism there is no caliph or imam since the 12th imam has gone into occultation
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Is this the same guy who proclaimed Abdullah II of Jordan should be the Caliph of Islam?


abdullah II's great great grandfather, the sharif of mecca Hussein bin Ali proclaimed himself caliph in 1924, and that was the reason why the hashemites were attacked and drive out of the hejaz by the first saudi king Abdelaziz al saud. now the saudis control mecca and medina, the hashemites were the traditional rulers of the cities as the sharifs of meccas for hundreds of years before the saudi invasion.

when king hussein started to call himself sharif again in 1990, the saudi royals were suspicious that he had revanchist aims toward the hashemites traditional family seat in the hejaz and mecca, and hostility between jordan and saudi arabia was why jordan did not join the coaliation during the gulf war.

if abdullah ii ever proclaims himself caliph, which i doubt he will, he better have a massive overseas bank account and accomidations in exile before jordan becomes saudi arabia's newest province.
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As Ottoman power crumbled, the Al-Saud, Hashemite and Al-Rashid were the main contenders for power in Arabia. I'd say now the Arab monarchies as representative of the Old Order are standing strong, compared to the hated republican dictatorships that have fallen or are falling. As long as Saudi Arabia and Qatar can contain the evil Islamic Republic regime in Iran, and hope that one falls.

Like we do in Christianity, Muslims debate among themselves the basis of monarchy and form of government in their faith, yet there is an abundance of evidence that monarchy is the desirable and indeed only acceptable form of government as the Muslim 500 and Aqidah demonstrates. There are those who will say that monarchy has no place in Islam (like you find among Christians), but there is no basis for Islamic Republic or fascistic rule by mullahs anywhere in the Qu'ran or in the Sunnah and Hadith. The vilayet-e-faqih ideology of the Islamic Republic of Iran has nothing to do with Islam, neither do the internationalist desires of jihadists! As a Catholic, I've strove to learn more about other faiths precisely out of monarchical solidarity.
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As Ottoman power crumbled, the Al-Saud, Hashemite and Al-Rashid were the main contenders for power in Arabia. I'd say now the Arab monarchies as representative of the Old Order are standing strong, compared to the hated republican dictatorships that have fallen or are falling. As long as Saudi Arabia and Qatar can contain the evil Islamic Republic regime in Iran, and hope that one falls.<br /><br />Like we do in Christianity, Muslims debate among themselves the basis of monarchy and form of government in their faith, yet there is an abundance of evidence that monarchy is the desirable and indeed only acceptable form of government as the <a href="http://themuslim500.com/introduction">Muslim 500</a> and <a href="http://www.aqidah.com/creed/tags/kingship.cfm">Aqidah</a> demonstrates. There are those who will say that monarchy has no place in Islam (like you find among Christians), but there is no basis for Islamic Republic or fascistic rule by mullahs anywhere in the Qu'ran or in the Sunnah and Hadith. The vilayet-e-faqih ideology of the Islamic Republic of Iran has nothing to do with Islam, neither do the internationalist desires of jihadists! As a Catholic, I've strove to learn more about other faiths precisely out of monarchical solidarity.


there is a problem with moving monarchs around- the hashemites were natives of the hejaz and were transplanted into iraq and jordan, and the khilafas of bahrain migrated there 200 years ago from kuwait, and the royals of jordan keep on marrying foreigners and not native east bank jordanians, one may wonder if that is wise. bahrain eas hit by the worst protests while other monarchies (most of them natives of their land) werent.

the senussis originated from morocco algeria reigion and moved to eastern libya 200 years ago, but they have support there, polls suggest that if it was up to eastern libya the senussis would have a good chance of coming back, but not the western part, which isnt suorsingsince they built up their power base and religious order in the east.

in the former kingdon of yemen, the zaydi shia system where any hashemite can declare himself imam as long as he has armed support is very unstable and would gaurantee constant challengers, and an unstable succession, the hamid ad din family are not automatically the rightful pretenders since any male zaydi hashemite can challenge them for the title.
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