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Peter

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Lots of people are native English speakers who don't have native English names. It's certainly not an assumption I would have made, though I don't see anything especially reprehensible about it either. I think you misunderstood Pallavicini's response. He was quoting typical MAGA chants, deriving from the Great Buffoon himself. He wasn't saying anything about attitudes on the forum in general. On the other hand, while I share his implied distaste for this thread I wouldn't like to see open warfare break out on or over it, and have frequently backed off from argument myself to avoid same. Though the thread is like a scab, I have to keep coming back to pick at it once in a while.
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 Assuming that a member of the forum, who uses an Italian username, isn't a native speaker of English


... was a preposterous assertion made after cherry-picking from scant information - very Fox News.

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the thread is like a scab


Understood.  As I normally ignore scabs until they disappear, I will treat it and its chief pickers as such henceforth.

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Lots of people are native English speakers who don't have native English names.


Yeah, that's the norm in the US, at least on the coasts. I live in NJ -- the number of people here that have Italian, Indian, Spanish, Chinese, etc. last names but were born here is pretty staggering. We certainly don't have a lack of English/Irish/Scottish last names either, but it's quite the mix. 

I'd say English and Spanish are the two languages where it would be the norm to have non-ethnic matching last names, due to the huge number of spanish speaking nations, and the size and breadth and relative ethnic Diversity of the anglosphere in general and the US in particular.
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Peter,

I think he was precisely making a quite specific attack against me, as well as David. I agree, again, he has made some interesting and thoughtful comments, but I fail to see how his comments in this thread are anything but snide and baiting, including his first two comments (#s 268 and 270). I would have left it, but he seems to have continued such behaviour, even after I was relatively complimentary to him. If he wishes things to become nasty around here, he is going in the right direction. It's true enough that even partisan political discussion that starts off relatively civil often ends up heated and personal, especially on the internet. But we aren't really talking about that here. In this thread (and in certain of his comments on other threads) Pallavicini seems instead to have started off in such a way that's very likely, if not designed, to get very heated, very quickly.

Also give Azadi his due; he doesn't engage in such behaviour. I resent Pallavicini's attempts at bullying Azadi. Azadi may have some strange posting habits at times, but he's harmless enough, and certainly doesn't need to be driven from the forum or anything.
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... was a preposterous assertion made after cherry-picking from scant information - very Fox News.


You are quoting Azadi, so I will allow you some slack. But I didn't just say it was based on your name alone. It was also based on your profile, as mentioned, although I confess I missed the US location alongside the EU one. That was actually more important than the name. In truth, as in many things in life, it was more complicated than that. It was based on various reasons, most which were unconscious.

Anyway, as I said, if you wish to continue to be confrontational and personal, that's up to you. But unlike some other posters, I'm not one to back down or ignore such provocation. But I'm also, to give me my due, not particularly vengeful, so would be more than happy to start again. Your choice.

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There are a number of us here who hold liberal views, in varying areas and to varying degrees. Peter is certainly one, I am another. I remember another poster who was likely significantly to the left of both of us and would likely still be happily posting away here if he hadn't gotten personally nasty towards other forum members.


I for one have nothing against his ideology and views. I was just objecting to the behaviour in posts #268 and #270, for example. I welcome reasoned argument. I am actually fond of such debate. I would also have nothing against someone just giving their opinion, even if they didn't want to argue it. However, snide comments and put-downs are something quite different.
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Since Pallavicini has indicated he will stay off the thread in future, let's leave it there.
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The Family Research Council champions the rights of religious groups in China:
https://frcblog.com/2020/01/religious-minorities-china-are-losing-deadly-game-hide-and-seek/

It should be noted that the FRC has been falsely accused of promoting "hate" by the SPLC and its media allies. Championing the rights of voiceless minority groups in Iran and China is love, not hate.
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So you are saying that if a group does good in one respect, that proves it can't possibly be bad in any respect? The logic seems, I don't know, a little weak. In reality, the Family Research Council are exactly the homophobic hate group the SPLC rightly classifies them as, and their other activities have no bearing on the harm and wrong they do in that field.
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The FRC does not hate anyone and have not harmed anyone. Neither have the Alliance Defending Freedom, American Family Association, Ruth Institute, Pacific Justice Institute, D James Kennedy Ministries, Liberty Counsel, Church Militant, et al. Likewise Centre for Immigration Studies, Centre for Security Policy, ACT for America and the Clarion Project. All unjustly accused.
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They do, they have, they weren't.
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May I suggest that the pantomime of accusations and denials advances nothing, on both sides?

If the topic must be discussed, it seems to me that it is first a matter of semantics: what precisely is meant by hate.

Secondly, it's a matter of exactly what the FRC has said and done, and the evidence for it.
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Here you go.
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I suppose I was looking for something more in the direct voice than the indirect, and with a clear attempt at definitions. I'm also suspicion of Wikipedia on any controversial topic - it tends to have edit wars and then end in being dominated by one side. But I suppose it's at least a reasonably articulate and coherent presentation of one side of the debate, so needs to be met by the other.
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