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Peter

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I hoped I could get away without reading that, but have succumbed now. A mass of verbiage largely amounting to disingenuous obfuscation, and my mind was not changed at all. Except that I acknowledge he is a political scientist rather than sociologist, the SPLC's error but something I failed to check. I do note that his misunderstanding, deliberate or otherwise, of genetics is worse than I'd thought. You don't respond to my point about the SPLC's work standing on its own, so I won't bother responding to your 'donation-driven hysteria' business.

The WCF was certainly involved with the introduction of the present barbarous laws in Nigeria, not that that country was exactly hospitable to its gay population before. And with the thankfully so far failed attempt to introduce the death penalty for homosexuals in Uganda. I really do not care what traditional religious morality affirms or does not affirm, it is all a power structure based on lies in any case. And I don't care what individual people affirm or don't, so long as they do not attempt to interfere with my life and the lives of people like me. Which the WCF does.
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If you need to see the case against the SPLC read these letters:
http://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/2018/062118SPLCLetter.pdf
http://lc.org/090717MediaResearchCenterLetter.pdf
https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF19D04.pdf

And these websites:
https://splcinfo.com/
http://http://www.splcexposed.com
http://www.splclies.com/
https://exposesplc.com/
http://www.splctruthreport.com

Or search for countless articles linked in some of those sites. None of the groups or individuals connected with the above could reasonably be accused of promoting "hate". They would have a strong case in the courts when the time comes.
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You give no details about just what you mean when you say he doesn't understand genetics. Indeed, you give absolutely no details about what is wrong with Murray's scholarship at all, nor the discipline boundaries you are seeking to invoke. Obviously, he's not a biologist, but he doesn't claim to be, nor to have been doing biology. As far as I can see, Murray's response to the SPLC's lies (is this amongst their valuable work?) is devastating. It shows where they have taken quotes out of context, repeatedly, and edited quotes to give a distorted picture of their claims. It also shows where they just make unsupported claims. Murray shows that, actually, he isn't the ogre that leftists like the discredited SPLC make out.

I most certainly did respond to your point about the SPLC's work standing on its own. To say it is pushing hysteria suggests just that. It suggests exaggeration and distortions, such as their much publicised claims about rampant white supremacy, which relied on treating groups of one or a few people as important white supremacist outfits. Moser's exposé - which you don't respond to - makes just this point about the hysteria of the SPLC. So, their work most certainly doesn't stand on its own, and I have responded to that. They may do some valid work, amongst the exaggerations, distortions, and lies, but the latter does rather overshadow the former these days.

Do you have evidence for the claim about the WCF and Nigeria?

The claim that traditional beliefs and religion are about power structures is a rather crude, if too common claim in some quarters. Amongst the trendy and woke, power structures are allegedly responsible for everything except pseudo-Marxist claptrap, most certainly including monarchy. I don't think monarchists should ape such sophists.
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Well the fact is that there was violence at Middlebury and a professor was hospitalised after being assaulted.
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I'm not one to claim that , except for direct incitement, speech is responsible for violence, but the SPLC has certainly helped stoke an ideologically based outrage against Murray with their libel and lies. Ironically, the SPLC are just the kind of leftists who do think that speech can equal violence, or be blamed for it (other than just when there is direct incitement).
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Well it's more that their "hate groups" list and even publishing where events are held (e.g. listing "anti-Muslim" events featuring prominent speakers) effectively is a hitlist for Antifa and radical Islamists to attack opponents.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/17/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/

The SPLC's use of the term "hate group" resembles the language of totalitarian regimes like Iran, China and the Soviet Union. Indeed, in China today the CCP uses terms like "reactionary", "counterrevolutionary", "evil cult" and "feudal superstition" to denote groups opposed to it.
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Antifa strike again in Portland:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/hundreds-of-far-right-protestors-face-off-with-antifa-members-in-portland/


More about SPLC libel:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alliance-defending-freedom-editor-exposes-danger-scam-of-far-left-splc
DavidV

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A must-watch on CAIR and the SPLC:

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More on insidious SPLC influence:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/high-school-assignment-forces-kids-to-disclose-sexual-orientation-reveals-massive-political-agenda/
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/06/the-violent-consequences-of-being-branded-hateful/
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Charles Kupperman is targeted by the SPLC and CAIR:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/splc-and-cair-unite-to-smear-trumps-new-natsec-advisor/
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Need any more proof Antifa are scum?

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ACT for America sees its event cancelled due to a hotel giving in to pressure from the SPLC and CAIR. This is an utter disgrace:
https://www.facebook.com/actforamerica/photos/a.441861226363/10156227091246364/?type=3&theater
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Is the SPLC working with CAIR? CAIR was literally an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Foundation terrorist funding trial. It has clear links with the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. I suppose the discredited SPLC hardly needs to worry about its reputation these days.
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It's obvious isn't it? CAIR had some role surely in producing the SPLC's smear list of "anti-Muslim extremists", and hence cover for the insidious influence operations of regimes in Turkey, Qatar and Iran. China, as we all know, conducts similar influence operations in corporations and universities.
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