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siredwardheath

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Just be grateful Welton has gone so quickly. He was posting blog posts on The Monarchist for the best part of two years. I couldn't believe he was on there as the blog clearly states that hippies are not allowed. He is quite clearly a Socialist. Or worse. In his final bust-up with The Monarchist, Welton even said that the British Empire was created by coal miners, steel workers and slate quarry workers. What Socialist claptrap! I was delighted when he deleted his posts. He said he was going because he was a man of principle. I said good riddance. I don't believe you can be a true monarchist unless you're a Tory.

Welton has also claimed (if you can actually believe this) that his tutor at his small, provincial and quite irrelevant university was Dr. Rowan Williams. Dr. Williams for God's sake! It is not something you want to boast about because this guy is the Communist apologist for Muslims in Great Britain. I recently read too that Williams was such a big threat to the United Kingdom during Thatcherism that a quite senior officer at M15 labelled him "a subversive". Williams is simply the walking, talking personification of all that has gone wrong in this country since the 1960s. A liberal wishy-washy do-gooder. I bet he even has to read his Bible before going to the toilet! It is frightening to think he has been teaching impressionable young people like Neil. Why on earth is this very silly Welshman in charge of our English-speaking Church anyway? I am not racist or anything but I just object most vehemently to Communism and the threat it poses via subversive Christian teaching. I am also disgusted that he married our future King. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8584157/MI5-labelled-the-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-a-subversive-over-anti-Thatcher-campaigns.html

I have no idea whether Welton has been lying to you. Perhaps he was just genuinely mistaken. Perhaps he was winding you all up, knowing full well that you would go and waste your time checking Burke's Peerage. Does it matter? Who cares? The man is a complete non-entity. In many ways I am rather surprised you have wasted an entire thread talking all about him.

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None of our posts were as long as yours... I hope you are not going to continue spewing this sort of bilge. Burke's by the way contains no details of this long-extinct peerage, it dealing only with current titles. Not the sort of thing I would expect you to know, just thought I'd mention it for your possible future reference.
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Wow.  I just read through this topic.  I guess I missed some amusing posts.  Fireworks indeed!  I was always a bit sceptical of him and suspected he was up to no good.  This is the weirdest incident here since the Menelik meltdown.

Siredwardheath - Monarchists can come in many political stripes,  and there are plenty of conservatives and right wingers who are fervent republicans.  Your sweeping political generalizations are not valid. 

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The Menelik meltdown? Please enlighten me. Was Welton involved?

There are plenty of Tories who are republicans, but can you honestly say there are Socialists or Communists who are monarchists? I think not. It is impossible! For a Tory would never spout such class hatred, envy or bile as the Socialists do. I've theories about Welton but I won't go into them here.

I am not writing bilge. Even if I were you will read it and put up with it. By checking Burke's Peerage you would all see that Welton's silly claims were questionable from the outset. It would have set alarming bells ringing at the very least. I expect even Welton knew that. As we know even a fool, idiot and twit like Welton can use the internet too. I have now written 3 posts out of 34 on this thread about Welton. You've written the other 31! I've written mine to warn you. For you never know when Welton is lying to you to make fun of you, playing tricks on you, and then making you all look like fools. He was always playing tricks on The Monarchist. I was so glad when he left as it allowed us all to say what we really thought. I simply cannot stand the man.

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If you can't stand him then kindly shut up about him. I mean, we've got your gist by now. In fact checking Burke's would prove nothing, the peerage could have been extant back at the time of the alleged performance and extinct before the current edition was assembled. As you say, Internet sources are the fallback. And we did have alarm bells ringing from the outset, but decided to wait and see whether there really was a cause for alarm. As for your other suggestion, it was my immediate suspicion and I now regard it as more or less confirmed.
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All right, enough about Neil Welton.  Time to move on.

Yes, depending on what one means by "left-wing," it is possible to be a left-winger and a monarchist; I know this because that used to describe me, though I subsequently drifted rightward.  (I still have some views that might be considered "liberal.")  In countries that have both a constitutional monarchy and a welfare state, there are plenty of people who support both.  Here on this forum KYM, Sujit and DutchMonarchist are all monarchists with left-of-centre views on other issues.

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I agree it is possible to be "left of centre" and a monarchist, but Socialist or Communist? Let alone subversive! I agree it's time to move on from Welton. He'll never make a fool out of me. Like some poor unfortunate sods on here.
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I agree it is possible to be "left of centre" and a monarchist, but Socialist or Communist? Let alone subversive! I agree it's time to move on from Welton. He'll never make a fool out of me. Like some poor unfortunate sods on here.


Excuse me? I am a most sincere Socialist and Monarchist.

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I would like to point out that the Canadian NDP (though admittedly they are social democratic as opposed to being strictly socialist) has more monarchists than the Conservative Party does. How that happened I have no idea.
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I would like to point out that the Canadian NDP (though admittedly they are social democratic as opposed to being strictly socialist) has more monarchists than the Conservative Party does. How that happened I have no idea.


Well that becuse true Socialist belive in walefare and unity

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Communist, no.  But "Socialist" can have a wide variety of meanings, some of which are not incompatible with support for a constitutional monarchy.  The modern welfare state was initiated by Bismarck with Social Security in Imperial Germany.  George Orwell was a famous socialist who supported the British monarchy.  None of the Labour Prime Ministers of the UK have been openly republican; in fact Harold Wilson was supposedly one of the Queen's favourite PMs, and I say this as someone who would not have voted for any of them.  It's worth noting that the Labour Party (while as I said never officially republican) has tended to appear more, not less, hostile to the hereditary principle and Traditional Britain in general as it has drifted away from orthodox socialist economics, "New Labour" being rather more dangerous than "Old Labour" ever was.  Today I am sure there are many socialist monarchists particularly in Canada and Scandinavia.
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Harold Wilson! Don't even mention that man's name in my presence.

Interested to see Sujit is a Socialist. I must confess I rather admire such "men of principle" myself, even though I do not always agree with them. New Labour was successful. That's the real reason why us Tories hate it.

Her Majesty's favourite Prime Minister was the extremely popular and very successful James Callaghan. I think he represented Cardiff South and Penarth even though he was an Englishman. James once said he was talking to Her Majesty in the gardens of Buckingham Palace about all the problems he was facing as the PM. Suddenly, for no reason, Her Majesty picked a rose from a rose bush, smiled at him, and then placed that rose in his button hole. James said the gesture expressed more than words could say and that he was left speechless before Her Majesty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Callaghan Quite naturally, I haven't the foggiest why Queens are not so keen on me.

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Why, Sir Edward, that was actually funny. I think better of you for it.
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Well, now Sir Edward is history. Again. He wasn't the nicest person to have around the forum and I can't say I'm sorry. That last crack was funny, though.
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Well, this has been yet another extremely bizarre incident in the annals of this forum. Again, da heck is goin' on here with all dese weird peoples?
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