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KYMonarchist

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Where did all of neilwelton's threads go?
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And now his posts are gone too! What's going on?
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Don't know and after yesterday's unpleasantness don't much care, I think he was trolling us.
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Darn. I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to ask him about singing before Lord and Lady Llandaff!

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Jovan's meaning is that he looked up the Llandaff title, and found that it is long extinct. There have been two creations, that of the Earls Llandaff in the peerage of Ireland, extinct in 1833, and that of Viscount Llandaff in the peerage of the United Kingdom. The first and last holder of the latter title a) died in 1913, b) never married and c) was a Roman Catholic (see here for an interesting sidelight on this). This all made Neil Welton's story of performing before Lord and Lady Llandaff in an Anglican cathedral around 1982-3 a little questionable.

I hadn't done this looking up but had my own doubts, as our former friend claimed to have sung the first, solo verse of what would have to be the Darke arrangement of In The Bleak Midwinter at around eight or nine. I don't know, but I would think that would be too big a challenge to be given to a boy so young and inexperienced. And he didn't seem to know about the different arrangements of the great carol, which I would have thought a chorister would have to.

Jovan discussed all this with me, and my conclusion was that Welton was perhaps a bit of a fantasist but harmless. After yesterday, I conclude that I was wrong and Jovan's rather more serious suspicions were right.
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What happened? Never got around to reading anything he wrote.  I was planning to, but have had a busy schedule.

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Don't know and after yesterday's unpleasantness don't much care, I think he was trolling us.


 
?=/ What happened yesterday?

From what I saw he wasn't a troll.... this is his legitimate website isnt it? - http://www.monarchywales.org.uk/index.asp?pageid=5207

and this -

http://www.spanglefish.com/neilwelton/

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I believe he was, also that Ponocrates didn't miss much. I'd rather not go into it, it would be wearisome to explain. His petulant removal of all his posts and threads (could only have been him unless it was royalcello, which I can't imagine) kind of proves the point anyway.
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His account's gone too now.

And Peter, what were Jovan's rather more serious suspicions?

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Jovan didn't explicitly say it but I thought his drift was that the now departed member was setting out to make us look fools. If I'm wrong, I expect he'll correct me. It didn't get in my opinion especially acrimonious yesterday, by the way, at least from my side. What I mean is that apart from an accusation of trolling from me there was no name-calling or anything like that. To that he replied that he would let other readers decide, and I said I would too. So unless something else blew up after I went to bed, there was no big row.
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Jovan didn't explicitly say it but I thought his drift was that the now departed member was setting out to make us look fools. If I'm wrong, I expect he'll correct me. It didn't get in my opinion especially acrimonious yesterday, by the way, at least from my side. What I mean is that apart from an accusation of trolling from me there was no name-calling or anything like that. To that he replied that he would let other readers decide, and I said I would too. So unless something else blew up after I went to bed, there was no big row.


You are correct, Peter, about my suspicions. And I was probably the only thing that blew up after you went to bed. I saw your exchange with Welton, agreed that your arguments were sound, and said that I thought he was acting like a rude twit and suggested he stop it.

When I next checked the forum, KYM and you had posted in this thread.

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Don't know and after yesterday's unpleasantness don't much care, I think he was trolling us.


 
?=/ What happened yesterday?

From what I saw he wasn't a troll.... this is his legitimate website isnt it? - http://www.monarchywales.org.uk/index.asp?pageid=5207

and this -

http://www.spanglefish.com/neilwelton/


Actually, we have no way of telling if they are or not. I could, right now, go to another monarchist forum, establish an account and put those sites in my profile. That the sites are legitimate, I have no doubt. Whether or not it was really Neil Welton on this forum is a different matter.

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So somebody may have impersonated Neil Welton to troll on this forum? This is hands down the most bizarre incident I can ever recall seeing here.
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There's an Internet group I have been involved with for many years, a bunch of guys and a few girls, most of them severely right-wing but a few as far left, while I'm the token one in the middle. One of them was a young Syrian woman, a lesbian as it emerged, active in gay liberation causes in Syria, such as there can be under Assad's tyranny. This went on for years, until it emerged that 'Amina' was actually an American married ... male.

Makes a fake Neil Welton, if he was indeed a fake which I have no idea about, look pretty mild. For various reasons this story made international news, and I can assure you that the people concerned (not including me, I'd never really had much to do with 'her') are still seething about it all and the person concerned is about as non grata as a persona can possibly be.
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Makes a fake Neil Welton, if he was indeed a fake which I have no idea about, look pretty mild. For various reasons this story made international news, and I can assure you that the people concerned (not including me, I'd never really had much to do with 'her') are still seething about it all and the person concerned is about as non grata as a persona can possibly be.


Yes, I remember the news stories on that incident!

However, that's nothing! Over on my Catholic forum a few months ago, we had a poster with two identities! One of them 'died' and there was a great outpouring of grief. Then suddenly the other (her roommate) got a new roommate. When that one also 'died' unexpectedly people started getting suspicious.

By the time it was all sorted out, there was only one person (female) and the forum owner's husband had left her for said woman and quit as the day to day admin of the forum. There was such acrimony that for a few days it didn't look as if the forum would survive! The Welton incident is nothing!

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