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DavidV

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Former Lebanese cabinet minister and longtime ally of the Assad regime in Syria, Michel Samaha, was arrested over the weekend for his alleged role in a terror plot:
http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/08/11/231614.html

It's believed that there was a plot to smuggle explosives into northern Lebanon, to carry out a terrorist attack and provoke a civil war. Further:
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/12/231734.html

So let me get this straight- Samaha, a Christian, being part of a plot to attack Christians to provoke renewed war? I don't think I can find a word to describe that.

Except this. For decades, the Baathist regime in Syria has cultivated its allies, or more specifically traitors to Lebanon. The proxies of Syria and Iran know that if and when these regimes fall, they will lose their main patrons as the tide shifts to the Arab monarchies and their Western allies, which would boost the March 14 bloc in Lebanon.

I presume that treason is a capital crime in Lebanon and this definitely counts as high treason.
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Former Lebanese cabinet minister and longtime ally of the Assad regime in Syria, Michel Samaha, was arrested over the weekend for his alleged role in a terror plot:<br />http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/08/11/231614.html<br /><br />It's believed that there was a plot to smuggle explosives into northern Lebanon, to carry out a terrorist attack and provoke a civil war. Further:<br />http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/12/231734.html<br /><br />So let me get this straight- Samaha, a Christian, being part of a plot to attack Christians to provoke renewed war? I don't think I can find a word to describe that.<br /><br />Except this. For decades, the Baathist regime in Syria has cultivated its allies, or more specifically traitors to Lebanon. The proxies of Syria and Iran know that if and when these regimes fall, they will lose their main patrons as the tide shifts to the Arab monarchies and their Western allies, which would boost the March 14 bloc in Lebanon.<br /><br />I presume that treason is a capital crime in Lebanon and this definitely counts as high treason.


There is nothing suprising. Anywhere, people of the same sect can be on different sides. In Lebanon there are some christians in anti hezbollah march 14, and other christians are in the pro syria and hezbollah march 8 in parliament, there were anti syrian and pro syrian christian militias in the lebanese civil war.
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Yes. The Lebanese Civil War was never really an out-and-out sectarian conflict. Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq were all carved out from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire, but remained dominated by their old aristocracies- and Lebanon still is. The war originally pitted right-wing Lebanese nationalists who were mostly Maronites, against left-wing Pan-Arabists who were Muslims or Christians. The Islamic Revolution and Israel's invasion led to the rise of Hezbollah, and the war then degenerated into a fratricidal conflict as Lebanon essentially disintegrated into feudal lordships.

While it was an ideological and geopolitical conflict, confessional and feudal loyalties are more important in politics. For instance, the Progressive Socialist Party claims to be (moderately) left-wing, but is really a sectarian (Druze) and aristocratic (Jumblatt clan) party.

The March 14 Bloc is allied with Western powers and Arab monarchies like Saudi Arabia, and is dominated by Maronite (Kataeb, Lebanese Forces, National Liberal Party, et al) and Sunni (Future Movement, Islamic Group) parties, and the Democratic Left. The March 8 Bloc is allied to Syria and Iran and is dominated by Hezbollah, Amal, and their Christian (FPM, Marada), Sunni, and secular leftist allies.
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The conflict in Syria is spilling into Lebanon and igniting tensions. Good old-fashioned sectarian and feudal warfare is typified by the Al-Meqdad clan having a private army and kidnapping people:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/50595-al-meqdad-clan-hints-to-resume-kidnappings-after-eid-releases-1-syrian

Meanile, Samy Gemayel, Kataeb MP, son of former president Amine Gemayel and nephew of slain president-elect Bashir Gemayel, gives this interview in which he explains the region's problems and its root causes:
http://www.france24.com/en/20120818-interview-samy-gemayel-kataeb-party-syria-lebanon-conflict-sunni-shiite-kidnappings

Essentially, the collapse of the Ottoman Empire was followed by the drawing up of arbitrary and artificial borders, and the French Republic imposing a completely unsuitable system on Syria and Lebanon.

Thursday is the 30th anniversary of Bachir Gemayel's election as President of Lebanon. He would be murdered by a Christian traitor 10 days before he was due to take office:
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The shia branch of the meqdad clan is threatening to execute the syrian hostages they took in response to the kidnapping of one of their members by the free syrian army, who was accused of links to hezbollah.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-lebanon-kidnappings-by-clans-raise-alarm/2012/08/24/e1702bb2-ee17-11e1-afd8-097e90f99d05_story.html

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The Meqdads originate from the area around Byblos in central Lebanon, according to clan members. They have since splintered, with Sunni and Christian branches in the north and Shiites, who make up the bulk of the clan, settling in the Bekaa Valley and in southern Beirut. The clan is believed to have up to 20,000 members.

Security forces blame the clan members for violence and weapons smuggling. Still, not all of the clan, which includes members who are doctors and lawyers, fit the stereotype.
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Violence intensifies in the city of Tripoli, where sectarian conflict linked to Syria ignites:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/51071-4-dead-2-journalists-injured-day-after-deal-to-give-political-cover-to-army-in-tripoli

Samir Geagea insists the crisis won't spread:
http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=430319

This comes just after the Assad regime wanted to summon him, Hariri and Jumblatt for "supporting rebels":
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2012/Aug-22/185324-hariri-geagea-jumblatt-among-those-to-be-summoned-by-syria.ashx#axzz24Rfqy2Eu

As you may remember, Geagea was thrown into jail after being framed for the murders of other Christian leaders (which pro-Syrian traitors committed), and Lebanese Forces were persecuted during the years of Syrian occupation post-war.
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Officials from the Vatican tell the media that Pope Benedict's visit to Lebanon is still on even with the violence escalating. I have to say this is a risky move.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/vatican-pope-beirut-trip-still-on-despite-clashes_n_1828192.html

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Father Paolo Dall'Oglio, an Italian monk forced to leave Syria despite the support and appreciation from Christians and Muslims alike for his pro-human rights stances. Don't buy into Assad propaganda about his regime "protecting Christians"- as the regime's crimes in Lebanon demonstrate. No religious or ethnic group is allowed to organise politically, and both Kurds and (Christian) Assyrians have joined the rebel structures precisely because of that.
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Note that I do NOT condone the thrashing of ANY foreign embassies, anywhere.

Members of the Syriac Union, a movement representing Syriac Christians (or Aramaic if you prefer) in Lebanon and Syria, thrashed the Syrian embassy in Stockholm earlier this month. The significance of this event is much deeper than it would appear here, for it also debunks the BS propaganda that Assad and his allies are "protecting Christians and other minorities". No they're not, they're actually using them to advance their aims and always have.

Much of it is to do with history, ideology, identity and geopolitics. To just mention "Lebanese Christian" or "Syrian Christian" does not take into account the fact that they are not a monolithic bloc, divided as they are among historic denominations: Eastern Orthodox, Melkite (Greek Catholic), Maronite Catholic, Syriac Orthodox, Syriac Catholic, and Assyrian and Chaldean Catholic. The Eastern Orthodox and Melkites in the Middle East, who are Byzantine Rite, are more likely to identify as "Arab" and their mass is in Arabic. The Maronites, historically Syriac-speaking but have been Arabic -speakers for some centuries, tend not to identify as Arab but as Lebanese or Phoenician, and thus tend to be Lebanese nationalists. Syriac and Assyrian Christians are distinct ethnic and linguistic communities. There are Syriac and Assyrian minorities in Lebanon, and politically they side with the Maronite-Sunni bloc. Historically, many of the drivers of left-wing pan-Arabist and Greater Syrian ideologies were at least nominally Orthodox Christians or Melkites, though not all of them are.

While fears for Christians and other minorities in Syria may be legitimate, I believe it is not as clear cut and again this is rooted in history. Meanwhile: http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/8/syriakurd589.htm

The nothern border regions of Syria are home to the country's Kurdish minority, as well as Assyrian and Armenian Christian communities. They have long been at odds with the Assad regime, not least because these groups are denied civil rights and freedom of association (despite the Assad regime's own past of supporting the Marxist terrorist scum PKK). This video from the onset of the uprising last year, where an Assyrian party headquarters is raided:


It should not be surprising that there is not insignificant Syriac and Assyrian support for the rebels. However, agendas of the Kurdish and Christian groups in the movement doesn't exactly concur with the agenda of the rebel movement. The Kurds and Assyrians, long repressed, undoubtedly desire self-determination (either autonomy or independence), and they are essentially an extension of the Kurdish and Assyrian communities in Iraq, reflecting how artificial and arbitrary the post-1920 borders are. This might lead them to "go it alone" and, if successful, establish a de facto independent state. Remember that Iraqi Kurdistan was such between 1991 and 2003. Turkey, however, will NOT accept such a development.

Lebanon is due to have elections next year. Should March 14 win (and I think it will), and should the Assad regime be gone by then, the new governments should co-operate regarding minority issues. A recent interview with Samy Gemayel on France 24 more or less revealed the root causes of the problem: http://www.france24.com/en/20120818-interview-samy-gemayel-kataeb-party-syria-lebanon-conflict-sunni-shiite-kidnappings
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A Kuwaiti kidnapped in the Bekaa valley is released:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/51465-kuwaiti-citizen-abducted-in-bekaa-released

It appears the Maronite patriarch was one of the targets of the recent bomb plot:
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=15322

Michel Samaha admits that the Assad regime was behind the terror plot for which he had been arrested:
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/27/234605.html

So let me get this straight. Samaha is an Orthodox Christian, and yet he as more or less willing to help along with a plot to terrorise fellow Christians possibly including clergy? How sick can this get? Remember that the Assad regime would never have been able to dominate Lebanon without the help of Christian and Sunni traitors.

This Al-Arabiya article explains how closely linked tensions in Syria and Lebanon are:
http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/08/27/234478.html

Meanwhile, a prisoner returns from Syria and confirms what we know: Syria holds many Lebanese prisoners:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/51473-political-prisoner-returns-after-27-years-confirms-more-lebanese-held-in-syria

And this amazing piece from the traitor Michel Aoun: "The priority in national dialogue must be given to the proliferation of arms and the absence of the state. Hezbollah's arms are necessary because they enable us to confront Israel."
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/51560-aoun-syria-regime-must-remain-secular-lebanon-security-won-t-deteriorate-further
Notice how he contradicts himself! Is that normal thinking?!?
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GCC states denounce Iran and Syria:
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/02/235739.html

Samir Geagea says at the martyrs' meomorial mass that it is the Syrian regime, not the Syrian people, who are the enemy:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/52090-geagea-lashes-out-at-government-says-impacts-of-syrian-regime-should-be-removed

Saad Hariri hopes Pope Benedict XVI's upcoming visit boosts Lebanon:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/52060-hariri-says-pope-s-visit-to-boost-lebanon-s-image-as-message-of-diversity
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