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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/shroud-of-turin-real-jesus_n_2971850.html

Recent research may possibly have dated the shroud to sometime between 300 BCE and 400 CE, which as you'll note, center the Shroud around about the year 50 of the Christian Era. The previous verdict may very well have been due to contamination by medieval shroud-repairmen.
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We use BC and AD here, please. Especially when discussing something pertaining to Christianity.
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We use BC and AD here, please. Especially when discussing something pertaining to Christianity.


This was not done to offend, this was done because BC and AD are actually inaccurate (and also because a pagan is not going to use Anno Domini in good conscience), being based off of the purported birth of Jesus on December 25th, 1 BC. Unfortunately, Herod the Great died in 4 BC, so the traditional calendar is off by at least 4 years. So I use Before the Christian Era and Christian Era. And btw, in East Asia, BC and AD aren't used at all even when the calendar they come from is used, in Japan for example the term seireki is used for the Christian calendar. Seireki means Western calendar, no reference to Christianity at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCE

Oddly enough, a theology book from 1584 was the first to use Christian Era, and this whole thing was started by Jews who still used the Christian dates but didn't want to use the explicitly Christian notation back in the 19th century.

And I don't think you'd like it very much if I started posting dates in the Mayan calendar, which would be my alternative.

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The Roman calendar would work as well for you, and would be easier for the rest of us. While your response was polite and well-reasoned, I personally have no objection to either the language or trappings of Christianity, just to some of the things Christianity is used to justify. Christian thought was profoundly important in the formation of our culture (and it is your culture too, like it or not -- I do), and speaking of AD that and this BC seems a small and harmless acknowledgement of that. There being no particular reason to suppose that Christ was born on 25th December AD 1 is not to me a reason to quarrel with the calendar. It is the traditional date, and that is good enough for me. There are numerous historically dodgy things about the Nativity stories, not just the otherwise unrecorded Massacre of the Innocents, and I reckon the most accurate accounts of Christ's birth are to be found in Mark and John. If you go with those then there is no conflict with the date settled on so long ago.

As for the Shroud, its antiquity or otherwise is irrelevant to me. It would of course be fascinating if it were shown to be genuinely a first-century artefact, but nothing whatsoever would be proved by this. Just as nothing would have been disproved if it had been shown conclusively to be a medieval forgery. I would hope that people's faith is not dependent on pieces of cloth, anyway.
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For me, the age of the shroud is a puzzle, as is its history.  I agree with Peter that fake or not doesn't matter, really.  It would be cool to have a bit of the wrappings that held the body.  Its OK if we don't. 

 

On this Friday which we call good (And I'm one who doesn't think He died on a Friday), I remain confident that He is risen.  And that is what changes everything.


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On this Friday which we call good (And I'm one who doesn't think He died on a Friday), I remain confident that He is risen.  And that is what changes everything.



...and even to those who don't believe that this Friday is Good Friday would agree (ours is a month away this year). 

Baron, why do you not think He died on a Friday?


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