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http://remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0915-wolfe-royal-trad-wedding.htm
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You probably didn't see that we already had a discussion about this wedding on the Royal Marriages thread, including the Remnant link which I posted there.  However, as long as this thread has been started, I'll answer DavidV's question.

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My blog entry, with links collected: http://royaltymonarchy.blogspot.com/2012/09/habsburg-wedding-in-washington.html

I'm pleased that the traditionalist Catholic Remnant covered the wedding.  American Catholics would do well to reflect on what the Habsburgs represent and what real Catholic civilisations were like.


We can work towards one in countries where we can restore a monarchy, so how do we expect American Catholics to work towards implementing a "Catholic way" in their own country?


I would say they can't, at least not via the normal political process.  The USA is anti-Catholic (and anti-Anglican) at its core and cannot be Catholicized (or Anglicanized, a word I just made up) without fundamentally altering its very essence in a way that is not possible at present and possibly not even desirable (I say that for the benefit of liberal and non-Catholic monarchists).  I would say Catholics (and Anglicans) living in the US should forget about politics as I try to and focus on important things like faith, liturgy, history, and culture.  Pray for the restoration of Catholic Monarchies!

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Sorry about the duplicate(?) thread, everyone.  I didn't know that anyone else had already posted a thread about that wedding.  Royalcello, if you want to delete this thread to keep up the conversation in the other one, that's all right with me.
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No, this is fine, because answering David's question as I did above would have been too much of a digression on the Royal Marriages thread.
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I wonder if the SSPX newspaper, The Angelus, would do so much justice to this. Normally I am not a huge fan of even The Remnant, but The Angelus is an American publication I believe and the American SSPX is full of Americanism. And especially given the leaning to the left of Fellay this seems to be so. Americans seem justified in their glorifying the Enlightenment, for while I am not sure Bishop Fellay embraces the liberalism of the 18th century, I think he gives the impression that he is not too world about the whole idea. I think it gives a lot of American SSPXers justifications for the Americanism. So I just wonder if there was anything about this in The Angelus, and if not, I think it is just a matter that is not even worth mentioned to them. They'd rather talk about the bloody and pointless presidential election and well, I won't say anything else outside of the serious off topic thread. 

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For example, just to say one thing Bishop Fellay does not seem to be a big fan of the metaphor of the "revolution of 1779" like say Bishop Williamson, Father Pheifer, or other more conservative members of the Society. But I do not want to get into that, so if nothing else I may start a topic in the off topics serious section. I just want to say again that I think that in light of the current talks with Rome and everything, and the leaning to the left of the SSPX, that monarchy is not as big a deal because of the leanings to unite with Rome, which does not cease to embrace the revolution of the 19th century. 
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My most dear lord, king and husband,

The hour of my death now drawing on, the tender love I owe you forceth me, my case being such, to commend myself to you, and to put you in remembrance with a few words of the health and safeguard of your soul which you ought to prefer before all worldly matters, and before the care and pampering of your body, for the which you have cast me into many calamities and yourself into many troubles. For my part, I pardon you everything, and I wish to devoutly pray God that He will pardon you also. For the rest, I commend unto you our daughter Mary, beseeching you to be a good father unto her, as I have heretofore desired. I entreat you also, on behalf of my maids, to give them marriage portions, which is not much, they being but three. For all my other servants I solicit the wages due them, and a year more, lest they be unprovided for. Lastly, I make this vow, that mine eyes desire you above all things.

Katherine of Aragon, last letter to Henry
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Sorry, "revolution of 1789" I mean. I got mixed up with the American Revolution of the previous decade.
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My most dear lord, king and husband,

The hour of my death now drawing on, the tender love I owe you forceth me, my case being such, to commend myself to you, and to put you in remembrance with a few words of the health and safeguard of your soul which you ought to prefer before all worldly matters, and before the care and pampering of your body, for the which you have cast me into many calamities and yourself into many troubles. For my part, I pardon you everything, and I wish to devoutly pray God that He will pardon you also. For the rest, I commend unto you our daughter Mary, beseeching you to be a good father unto her, as I have heretofore desired. I entreat you also, on behalf of my maids, to give them marriage portions, which is not much, they being but three. For all my other servants I solicit the wages due them, and a year more, lest they be unprovided for. Lastly, I make this vow, that mine eyes desire you above all things.

Katherine of Aragon, last letter to Henry
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For more serious discussion of the SSPX matters mentioned, please click here:

 

http://royalcello.websitetoolbox.com/post/Apology-of-Father-Chazel-SSPX-regarding-objection-to-the-talks-with-Rome-by-Fellay-6022096?pid=1275098497#post1275098497


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My most dear lord, king and husband,

The hour of my death now drawing on, the tender love I owe you forceth me, my case being such, to commend myself to you, and to put you in remembrance with a few words of the health and safeguard of your soul which you ought to prefer before all worldly matters, and before the care and pampering of your body, for the which you have cast me into many calamities and yourself into many troubles. For my part, I pardon you everything, and I wish to devoutly pray God that He will pardon you also. For the rest, I commend unto you our daughter Mary, beseeching you to be a good father unto her, as I have heretofore desired. I entreat you also, on behalf of my maids, to give them marriage portions, which is not much, they being but three. For all my other servants I solicit the wages due them, and a year more, lest they be unprovided for. Lastly, I make this vow, that mine eyes desire you above all things.

Katherine of Aragon, last letter to Henry
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I wonder if the SSPX newspaper, The Angelus, would do so much justice to this. Normally I am not a huge fan of even The Remnant, but The Angelus is an American publication I believe and the American SSPX is full of Americanism. ... So I just wonder if there was anything about this in The Angelus, and if not, I think it is just a matter that is not even worth mentioned to them.


Probably not, but not necessarily due to Americanism alone: the Habsburg/Walker wedding took place at a diocesan ("indult") church, so it would not be surprising if it were reported in The Remnant which supports all Traditional Latin Masses and not in The Angelus which advocates attendance only at SSPX chapels.  Also, the former Katie Walker has written for The Remnant and participated in its Chartres pilgrimage but has never had anything to do with the SSPX. 

As far as I know the only royal who has supported the SSPX is Prince Sixte Henri of Bourbon-Parma.  Other Catholic royalty who prefer the Latin mass work within the diocesan system.  Duke Paul of Oldenburg is a prominent supporter of the Institute of Christ the King, for example.  I think generally Catholic royalty, even if they're of a traditionalist bent, try to be loyal to the hierarchy, which given the hierarchical nature of both Monarchy and the Church makes sense if you think about it, as frustrating as many modern bishops undeniably are.
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