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I would like the heads of state of republics to use the traditional royal title of their country. The head of state of the republic will be elected for a term of limited duration despite using a royal title. I would like Shah, the traditional Iranic royal title, to be used for the elected head of state of an independent Kurdish state. Shah means king in Kurdish.
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Why would one wish to see usurpation of the royal titles by politicians?


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Why would one wish to see usurpation of the royal titles by politicians?


Because upholding tradition is very important. The royal title is part of the cultural heritage of your nation, and if there is no support for a hereditary monarchy, I will prefer the royal title of your nation being used by the elected head of state to a foreign title being used by the elected head of state. The elected head of state of Kurdistan using the title Shah will emphasize the fact, that the Kurds are an Iranic people and that the Kurds are neither Arabs nor Westerners. There is no support for establishing a hereditary monarchy in Kurdistan. I would like a Romanov being elected Shah of Kurdistan, but that's extremely unlikely to happen. I'm a pragmatic monarchist, who support the best of the likely options.
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Upholding tradition, by dragging royal titles down to the level of 'president'?  That is not part of any tradition I know, nor is it a notion I could support.  Rather the degrade the title 'Shah', work for the establishment of a viable monarchy.  Neither men nor nations ever rise to low expectations.  Yes the effort is greater, but the goal is worth the effort.  Yes the chance of success in our lifetimes lower.  So be it, Rome was not built in a day.  Strive for the best, endure what is.   
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Upholding tradition, by dragging royal titles down to the level of 'president'?  That is not part of any tradition I know, nor is it a notion I could support.  Rather the degrade the title 'Shah', work for the establishment of a viable monarchy.  Neither men nor nations ever rise to low expectations.  Yes the effort is greater, but the goal is worth the effort.  Yes the chance of success in our lifetimes lower.  So be it, Rome was not built in a day.  Strive for the best, endure what is.   

I do want to establish a hereditary monarchy in Kurdistan. I would like a Romanov being elected Shah of Kurdistan because of the historical ties between Kurdistan and Russia and because Russia supported our independence referendum on September 25 2017 unlike USA. The Osmanoglus are the legitimate royal dynasty of Kurdistan, but electing an Osmanoglu Shah of Kurdistan is a bad idea, because Turkey opposed our independence referendum. But if an Osmanoglu decides to support Kurdish independence from Iraq, I will change my mind.
I want the title Shah to be used by the elected head of state of Kurdistan in order to uphold Iranic civilization and to reject Arab and Western civilization. We Kurds are Iranics, NOT Arabs or Westerners.
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Determine what is right and proper.

Seek that. 

I firmly believe it is better to fail while striving for that which is right and proper, than to succeed while seeking that which is inferior. 


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Determine what is right and proper.

Seek that. 

I firmly believe it is better to fail while striving for that which is right and proper, than to succeed while seeking that which is inferior. 


Which dynasty do you want to rule Kurdistan?
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A fair question, to which, unfortunately, I have no fair answer.

I don't know of a dynasty that ruled the Kurdish people whose heirs are known without question.  In their current fighting, they may well establish a military hero worthy of founding a dynasty.  Restoration of Kurdish autonomy, under the various remains of the Ottoman Empire might encompass different Sheikhs in the different 'national borders'.

 

Candidates that come to mind for historical reasons of unity:

The heirs of Sheik Ubeydullah, the heirs of Aziz Üstad Bediüzzaman Said Nursi or the heirs of Mehmet Sherif Pasha


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According to Theodore, a republic, which was ruled by monarchs for most of its history, but which has no widely recognized claimants of their own to the throne, is an acceptable republic, while a republic with a deposed royal dynasty of their own is an unacceptable republic. In addition, despising the Kurdish politicians makes no sense, because the Kurdish aristocracy retains a lot of political influence. An aristocratic republic is definitely preferable to a revolutionary republic. The KRG is an aristocratic republic, while the PYD regime in northern Syria is a revolutionary republic. Kurdistan is an acceptable republic, but I want the head of state of Kurdistan to use the title Shah in order to uphold Iranic tradition.
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