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KYMonarchist

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As I've said before, I believe that not all countries are ideally suited for monarchy.  The United States as a single entity is one of these countries.  As Royalcello and Supremedirector pointed out, several monarchies have ruled different areas of what is now the U.S.A. (and that's not counting the native chieftancies that were here before the Europeans arrived).  I think breaking up the United States would be an unmitigated disaster for the world, so I believe that in the case of the U.S.A., the best solution is for it to remain a republic under it's present system.

Our new freind Loyalist though has a very valid point.  Monarchy and democracy are not mutually exclusive.  One can have bi-cameral elected legistlatures, democratic systems, federal structures and balance and seperation of powers along with a crowned Head of State.  One can believe in all of the above and still be a devoted monarchist.  Indeed the most democratic countries today are actually constitutional monarchies.

I agree with Ethiomonarchist and think SupremeDirector is being absolutely ridiculous.


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Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are not "colonies"! 
 
Thankyou Royalcello! I would point out for our new friend that neither are the other twelve Commonwealth Realms!
 
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In the age of television, the internet, and air travel, it's less problematic, not more problematic, to have a sovereign who lives far away, as long as the day-to-day government is in the hands of people who live there.  That's one reason I find the "chronological" ("having a Queen who lives in England is outdated in the 21st century") arguments of republicans in those Commonwealth countries so absurd.
 
 
How true. While Her Majesty doesn't come to Canada as often as we'd like, other members of the Canadian Royal Family visit frequently. In fact, as I posted earlier TRH the Earl and Countess of Wessex are here now. And Her Majesty will be opening the Olympic Games in Vancouver next summer.

 

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As I've said before, I believe that not all countries are ideally suited for monarchy.  The United States as a single entity is one of these countries.  As Royalcello and Supremedirector pointed out, several monarchies have ruled different areas of what is now the U.S.A. (and that's not counting the native chieftancies that were here before the Europeans arrived).  I think breaking up the United States would be an unmitigated disaster for the world, so I believe that in the case of the U.S.A., the best solution is for it to remain a republic under it's present system.

Our new freind Loyalist though has a very valid point.  Monarchy and democracy are not mutually exclusive.  One can have bi-cameral elected legistlatures, democratic systems, federal structures and balance and seperation of powers along with a crowned Head of State.  One can believe in all of the above and still be a devoted monarchist.  Indeed the most democratic countries today are actually constitutional monarchies.

I agree with Ethiomonarchist and think SupremeDirector is being absolutely ridiculous.

Except for one thing, that of the breaking up of the USA being a good or bad thing for the world, Ethio said pretty much everything Royal and I said. So where exactly am I running afoul of your sensibilities?


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As I've said before, I believe that not all countries are ideally suited for monarchy.  The United States as a single entity is one of these countries.  As Royalcello and Supremedirector pointed out, several monarchies have ruled different areas of what is now the U.S.A. (and that's not counting the native chieftancies that were here before the Europeans arrived).  I think breaking up the United States would be an unmitigated disaster for the world, so I believe that in the case of the U.S.A., the best solution is for it to remain a republic under it's present system.

Our new freind Loyalist though has a very valid point.  Monarchy and democracy are not mutually exclusive.  One can have bi-cameral elected legistlatures, democratic systems, federal structures and balance and seperation of powers along with a crowned Head of State.  One can believe in all of the above and still be a devoted monarchist.  Indeed the most democratic countries today are actually constitutional monarchies.

I agree with Ethiomonarchist and think SupremeDirector is being absolutely ridiculous.

 

I never said that I thought SupremeDirector is "being absolutely ridiculous".  I actually agreed with most of what he said.

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Again I must disagree. Americans as a whole (I'm referring to the average Joe, not the very rare Joe who goes to every meeting of the local government and attends political rallies), do not know their history. They care about their country because they have been told to, not because of any thing in particular. When asked they go off about how great we are, how free we are, and various and sundry other platitudes, but can offer nothing substantial. Other than materialistic things there are very few things America has offered the world.

Just like the loyalty to the Commie Russian government, which over threw their monarch for communism. Loyalty given to it resulted from being told it was great, not because it really was. Most folks are sheep, follow where they are lead, do as they are told, believe as they are told. And that's that.

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We have an entire philosophy named after us which is the culmination of all heresies put together, Americanism. Not exactly something to celebrate over hot dogs and beer every July 4th in my opinion. While I respect your opinion and your right to have that opinion, which you have as a componant of natural law, not because of any civil law which was passed here, I must disagree. How can someone who claims to support monarchy claim and who claims to want the best for their country turn aroudn and support a revolution which was based upon Masonic and Lockean ideals, which have ruined our nation and have ruined countless other nations around the world which has adopted out model? I can understand loving the land of America and wanting the best for the land and its poor people who have been systematically decieved for their entire lives. But to support the actions which put into place the system which led to this mental oppression and enslavement to the social-welfare atheist state is just plain wrong!

I agree.

John Locke's "philosphy" is bogus enlightenment propoganda, through and through.


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My gratitude to both Ethio and Clovis for the support!


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I find the indoctrination of our youth to believe the falscifications saddening. I am an american but I do not see the point in being anti-britain anymore although there are a lot of americans that love britian, especially since the second world war, but anyway all this video is, is propaganda, and bad propaganda at that.

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I find the indoctrination of our youth to believe the falscifications saddening. I am an american but I do not see the point in being anti-britain anymore although there are a lot of americans that love britian, especially since the second world war, but anyway all this video is, is propaganda, and bad propaganda at that.

It seems to me that much of what is being taught in our public schools amounts to social engineering designed to reinforce  a social-welfare statism.  We claim to be a democratic-republic, but in actuality have been moving further and further away from even that. Yet we keep telling ourselves that we are a democratic-republic and that it is the most enlightened form of government.  We need to break this delusion and even if the US would never be a monarchy, at least we could learn to perhaps respect and promote the monarchial aspirations of other countries.

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