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Royalcello, can you tell a bit more about your meetings in Germany and Austria? Any reactionary plans made to overthrow the governments in Berlin and Vienna? How if the Scwarz-Gelber Allianz doing anyway?


I'll post what I wrote to a British friend who asked the same question.

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It's hard to summarize but I certainly enjoyed talking to Alexander. Among other things we talked about how the far-right "Freedom" Party tried to ban his group, but failed. Ironically he was actually grateful for this episode because it gave them some publicity and established that they are perfectly legal.  And he explained how the Austrian republican political system (which he doesn't think is actually democratic at all) works and how it is stacked against anyone other than the established parties. I asked him what anyone can see in the Republic and he said that the attraction is that there can be quite a bit of money in it for those who go along with the system. I observed that, perhaps more than in any other formerly monarchical European republic, everything Austrians are proud of and promote to tourists is from the time of the monarchy, and he agreed and said that modern Austria has a sort of hypocritical and contradictory attitude to the past, profiting from it and disparaging it at the same time.  He dislikes the cult of "Sisi" because he thinks she is put on a pedestal both as a sort of proto-republican, because she criticised the imperial system and the court etiquette, and as a sort of proto-feminist, because she did whatever she wanted. So we went very quickly through the Sisi Museum! It was a wonderful afternoon and he was a very generous host, insisting on paying for everything, as "we don't get visiting American monarchists very often." He gave me some of his brochures and stickers, one of which I've already put on my car, making it probably the car in Texas with both a British flag and an Austrian monarchist bumper sticker!


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 Unfortunately in Frankfurt Knut [Wissenbach, of Tradition und Leben] came down with the flu and sent his apologies so it was just me and Reinhold (who I had already met in Dallas in January 2012). I'm afraid our talk was not encouraging. He is discouraged by the extremely marginal status of monarchism in Germany and the difficulty in getting even allegedly sympathetic people to come to events. A monarchist panel planned in Gotha had to be canceled due to lack of interest. He wonders, "why are there so few of us?" I tried to buck him up a bit and encouraged him to get in touch with Knut, who hopefully is feeling better by now.


 

So while both meetings were enjoyable socially, I can't say either was particularly encouraging as far as the monarchist cause is concerned.

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That's disappointing, to say the least. One wonders how Austria especially ever gets by under a republican system, seeing as it would never have even existed without the Hapsburg Dynasty. And who would have thought, in the 19th century, that within a hundred years Austria- the beating heart of the Hapsburg Empire, heir to the Holy Roman Empire- of all countries would be a republic? The great Klemens von Metternich would have probably laughed at the very notion. Oh how the mighty have fallen. And how interesting that a far-right party would be the ones trying to ban Austria's foremost monarchist movement. It makes sense, I guess- it was on Adolf Hitler's orders that Engelbert Dollfuß, the "Austrofascist" leader who according to some accounts wanted to restore the Austrian monarchy, was assassinated to pave the way for the Anschluss.

I've always had a certain admiration for the late Kaiser Wilhelm II, and have made it a personal goal in life to some day visit his tomb on the anniversary of his death to pay my respects.

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Austria was an entity within the HRE under the Babenbergs. I would actually credit the Hohenzollerns more than the Habsburgs for the separate existence of Austria; they could not digest it within their vision of a united Germany, so spit it out to be separate from the Germany of which until then it was a part. None of which is to deny the glory of six hundred years of Habsburg heritage in Austria, it is just to point out other factors. My love for Wilhelm II is limited to say the least, I think he was an arrant fool and more than a little nuts. I do have sympathy for his appalling childhood, but he took full and vicious vengeance for that on his mother, which dilutes the sympathy.
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Yep, there is a thread 'monarchy and the far-right' which I started when I just joined here some years ago where we also talked about Austria. I don't see how anyone could be confused about the Austrian far-right, its leader gave pep talks to a group of former SS-men. Long live the Black-Yellow Alliance, even if it is small it is a good thing it is there to keep the hope alive.

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He gave me some of his brochures and stickers, one of which I've already put on my car, making it probably the (only) car in Texas with both a British flag and an Austrian monarchist bumper sticker!

I am reminded of years ago, when I had gotten from Austria a sticker of the Imperial Grosse Wappen, not the simplified Coat of Arms usually seen. I had it on the rear bumper of my car and my wife said, 'What if I'm driving and somebody asks about it?'  I told a friend, a Jewish fellow who had escaped just after the Anschluss, what she had said. He replied, with some heat, 'Tell them to talk to me! I'll tell them what it means and that destroying the Empire was the worst thing that could have happened to Austria!' 

 


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Well I think we all realise the enormous differences in tasks between countries like Austria and Germany, and countries like Serbia and Romania. Even France and Portugal are different in their challenges and circumstances. None of these are comparable, each requires different work. But I think what too many people lack is patience, persistence and a strategy. It's why an international coordinating body is needed, and why monarchists cannot remain aloof from the mainstream, which would isolate and force them upon their own means.

The key point is to never admit defeat but find a way to work within reality to effect a favourable climate to your views. I do have my own theory why I think monarchism could and should have bright potential in Germany at least.
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But I think what too many people lack is patience, persistence and a strategy.

 

Really? Who are all these people?


I think German and Austrian monarchists have exhibited plenty of patience and persistence, actually. The problem is that there are so few of them, and it is very difficult to get most people who think things are OK as they are to be interested in changing the basic form of government.

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But I think what too many people lack is patience, persistence and a strategy.

 

Really? Who are all these people?


I think German and Austrian monarchists have exhibited plenty of patience and persistence, actually. The problem is that there are so few of them, and it is very difficult to get most people who think things are OK as they are to be interested in changing the basic form of government.



What I implied is that if there are so few of them now, there is possibly potential for growth in the future. I think some underestimate the potential of royalty and monarchy to appeal to the younger generations and I think social media could be more conducive to this.

But also my theory is that while Germans don't know any different to what they have been raised on and taught since 1949, as German society feels the stresses most Western societies are feeling, there is the possibility that younger Germans may due to domestic and international circumstances, begin to question all of it.

Simply, you can grow something out of very little or nothing if you have the right strategy, aptitude and application in mind. But then this is thinking in business terms isn't it? Having to "sell" something to a populace that isn't fussed either way is still a challenge but never say it's insurmountable.
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