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Why should monarchists just sit back and give up because a nation, such as the United States, has a history as a republic? How many monarchies have not been toppled, despite their histories ten times more ancient than that of the United States'? The U.S. is still a teenager among the nations of the world and has plenty of time to grow. It's not too late, it's never too late.

It is too late for the US government, which was built on sand and will soon collapse and dissolve.

In any case, no propaganda campaign will ever work for the restoration of real monarchy.  The counter-revolution will not be a contrary revolution, but the contrary of revolution.  The monarchies will only be restored by the building of monarchist institutions from scratch and by the return of the King.

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I believe that someday, not within my lifetime, the United States will break into many smaller, sovereign countries. Eventually Spanish and Spanish-based languages (effectively gaining a Latin-like status akin to Latin's relationship to French, Italian, and Spanish) will constitute the lower and western United States while English and English-based languages will constitute the northern and eastern United States.

Whether these will be Monarchies is entirely up to chance. But I personally would love to see North America become as divided as Europe.

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I don't see it happening. 

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The Gulf states taking up Spanish?
Won't be happening.


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The Gulf states taking up Spanish? Won't be happening.
Socio-Linguistically it's a lost cause. Given the number of Spanish speaking immigrants that will most likely never completely adapt to the Anglo-Germanic culture of the United States and their birth rates in comparison with whites, the southern United States has no choice in the matter.

You're going to have to start doing the deed more to compete or Spanish is going to overrun you all with simple population growth.

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By the 3rd Generation they're all speaking English.

The English Only laws in Florida were introduced and supported by people who grandparents spoke Spanish.

This ain't our first time at the dance.


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The Gulf states taking up Spanish? Won't be happening.
Socio-Linguistically it's a lost cause. Given the number of Spanish speaking immigrants that will most likely never completely adapt to the Anglo-Germanic culture of the United States and their birth rates in comparison with whites, the southern United States has no choice in the matter.

You're going to have to start doing the deed more to compete or Spanish is going to overrun you all with simple population growth.

Doesn't seem like a serious problem in Louisiana, either.

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Cajuns have held to French more more determinedly than the more recent and earlier Spanish speaking arrivals.  English as a second language isn't a bad choice - I wish my Gramp had let us choose it....

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Q: "Do you cherish hopes--however remote--of the United States becoming a monarchy eventually?"
A: No.
 
Q: "Or perhaps breaking up into smaller countries, some of which might be monarchies?"
A: Bingo. Each state is like it's own country. We might be united in some things, but it's not enough. When east coast foriegners are allowed to overrule us taking action to protect ourselves, that should be grounds for secession. And, they in fact just did this to Arizona.


Q: "Or are you mainly interested in supporting monarchies and royalist movements in other countries with a stronger indigenous monarchical tradition?"
A: You mean, am I a Loyalist to some specific family or another? No. If I ever took concern with another nation it would be Poland. But, Poland lacks a Monarch or legitimate heir/ess to play Loyalist toward. Poland is very jacked up by all the conquerings, and I am including culture conquerings not just government. It's one of those conquerings that put those of us of Polish blood in the United States in the first place.
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Immigration is the preserve of the federal government, not the states. Federal law is also supreme over the states, and states may not overrule a federal law. Secession is perfectly legal so long as it is consented to by the state seceding, the other state legislatures, and both Houses of Congress, as per Texas v. White.
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"Immigration is the preserve of the federal government, not the states."
In what fantasy world does protecting people in Arizona from criminals, job theft, and state goverment insurgency solely protect people on the other side of the country? That total detachment from the fact that Arizonans are the ones literally living with the issue is precisely why non-Arizonans are not qualified to touch this issue.

And, if that's not what you meant to say, you misused "preserve."
And, in regard to federal law winning out over state law, it should not be allowed to do so if it is not in the best interests of the state.
In case of on how the U.S. legally views seccession, it does not matter, because they have no right to force people to stay under their rule, which is A.K.A. oppression, which proves the fact that the United States is an Empire (it's size alone proves the fact, actually).
Further, you went into an off-topic direction.
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KYM, to flippantly state that the immigration is a federal issue, while the federal government has refused or failed to enforce the immigration laws and have stuck the states with the costs of providing the services and dealing with other societal problems, is one reason the federal government is becoming so unpopular.  

If secession is legal, then why did the Civil War occur, which forced those Southern states back into the Union, after being ruled as territories for about a decade or so?


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"Immigration is the preserve of the federal government, not the states."
In what fantasy world does protecting people in Arizona from criminals, job theft, and state goverment insurgency solely protect people on the other side of the country? That total detachment from the fact that Arizonans are the ones literally living with the issue is precisely why non-Arizonans are not qualified to touch this issue.

And, if that's not what you meant to say, you misused "preserve."
And, in regard to federal law winning out over state law, it should not be allowed to do so if it is not in the best interests of the state.
In case of on how the U.S. legally views seccession, it does not matter, because they have no right to force people to stay under their rule, which is A.K.A. oppression, which proves the fact that the United States is an Empire (it's size alone proves the fact, actually).
Further, you went into an off-topic direction.

State government insurgency? What on earth are you talking about?

As for federal law winning over state law, it ALWAYS overrules conflicting state laws, that's from the Constitution. And unilateral secession is illegal, the Union won the Civil War, which kinda settled that dispute.

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As for federal law winning over state law, it ALWAYS overrules conflicting state laws, that's from the Constitution. And unilateral secession is illegal, the Union won the Civil War, which kinda settled that dispute.


KYM, this is part of the problem.  You are speaking as lording it over someone, (in this case, the feds over the states) not whether it is right.   If this sort of thing keeps up, then a state's secession would be the just and right course of action.

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As for federal law winning over state law, it ALWAYS overrules conflicting state laws, that's from the Constitution. And unilateral secession is illegal, the Union won the Civil War, which kinda settled that dispute.


KYM, this is part of the problem.  You are speaking as lording it over someone, (in this case, the feds over the states) not whether it is right.   If this sort of thing keeps up, then a state's secession would be the just and right course of action.

In the Constitution, there is a clause which quite frankly states that federal laws supercede conflicting state laws. This is the law of the land. So yes, the federal government does lord it over the states, this is right, proper, and just, and since when does a monarchist oppose the concept of lording it over another, what on earth do you think a monarch does? We tried a confederation and that ended up resulting in armed mobs rampaging throughout Massachusetts, endless petty trade wars that destroyed the national economy, and general chaos and disorder. Why on earth would Ponocrates want us to go back to that?

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