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VivatReginaScottorum

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Which media are we talking about?

Pretty much the entire British tabloid press have been giving the Duchess of Sussex a hard time since day one, right-wing papers as much as- or more than- left-wing papers. Not that I wasn't extremely disappointed by the way in which the Duke and Duchess went about this. They certainly should not have made any official announcement without first consulting and obtaining permission from the Queen. I don't think the current media and social media frenzy is at all helpful, though, and I highly doubt anyone in the Royal Family appreciates all the people "taking sides" and making attacks on either the Sussexes or the rest of the family based on a situation only those inside the institution can have a full understanding of.

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Pretty much the entire British tabloid press have been giving the Duchess of Sussex a hard time since day one, right-wing papers as much as- or more than- left-wing papers. Not that I wasn't extremely disappointed by the way in which the Duke and Duchess went about this.


Haunted by his mother's death, Harry has a family whom -unlike Diana- he is in a position to protect. The Sussexes appears to have had their fill of the gutter press's ignorant racial slurs, mysoginist invective and moronic innuendo. And their generation tends to act quickly when they know what they want.

https://www.royal.uk/statement-her-majesty-queen

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Anyone have examples of this? I haven't followed what the tabloid press has been saying. In Australia, it's mostly women's magazines covering it - the kind you see at checkouts - and I don't read them. I wouldn't trust them. According to their covers, Prince William should have ten children by now.
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I'm not going to go wading in that sewer to dig out examples for you. Just take my word for it, and Vivat's, and Pallavicini's, that it has gone on. And on, and on, and on. I've been wondering wistfully lately about the possibility of taking a leaf out of Thailand's book. Could never happen, I know, but a man can dream.
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We do live in a time when everything from maths to how men sit on public transport has been accused of being racist or sexist, so usually it does behooves us a not to just take such claims at face value, without evidence. But I certainly take you and Vivat, at least, to be cautious and thoughtful observers. I would be interested in seeing evidence for the specific claim that racial slurs were used by the press. I take it we are talking about her skin colour and not her nationality. Even in the British tabloid press, I don't think racial slurs, especially against black people, are likely today, but I may wrong.
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No, not explicit racial slurs, except in online comments, that would be unthinkable. Just an underlying tone, and a shrill hostility from the very beginning that seems hard to explain or understand otherwise.
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I don’t at all agree with the way they went about it, or indeed stepping back in general, but the media and online trolls have certainly proven their point over the last few days about the toxicity that exists towards them.
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Well, whatever the motive - and I myself haven't viewed enough of the coverage to disagree with the assessment here - I certainly agree with that. The media has treated them poorly indeed.
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Racially charged comments appeared in the press that were explicit enough for a precocious 4th-grader to divine the sentiment behind much of the tabloid animus toward Meghan Markle.

A quick sampling using the online resources of a local academic research library indicates that reportage on media hostility toward Meghan Markle is plentiful.  For folks who desire a deeper and balanced understanding of anything before opining on it, the academic research process is infinitely more rewarding than asking strangers on the internet or relying heavily on unvetted sources that mirror one's own preconceptions. 

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My biggest regret is that due to all this viciousness, and it really was vicious and horrible to see, the Duchess has chosen to abdicate the position that should have been hers, an empowered and articulate black woman at the heart of the British establishment. A wonderful and inspiring vision of integration, but alas not to be, it seems.
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100% agree.  In a more civil and open-minded time, they would have easily flourished in the UK. Both husband and wife are remarkable people in their own way, and seem charming and likable when interacting with people. Near-perfect “senior royal” material.
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As someone with academic experience, I wouldn't be so sure that academic sources, in the humanities and social sciences at least, don't mirror at least someone's preconceptions. I'm also wondering what you are referring to? Are you saying that a lot of academic research has been done into Meghan Markle's experience? There's next to nothing in my library. Google would seem a better source, but as this is a forum of knowledgeable monarchists, perhaps it is best of all!

Some sceptics might wonder whether such precocious primary school children had a little help, and not from an academic library. But I wouldn't dream of being so distrustful.
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Certainly not everyone believes that there's a lot of evidence for racial slurs used by the press:

http://delingpoleworld.com/2020/01/10/meghan-markle-is-not-a-victim-of-racism/

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/01/10/megxit-was-not-driven-by-racism/

The discussion in those articles is around the same few examples that the left-liberal press also is discussing:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/10/701987112/inside-the-racist-online-attacks-on-meghan-markle

They certainly look like weak sauce to me - one writer in 2016 said she was (almost) 'Straight Outta Compton' and another, in a piece praising her, said she had exotic DNA (interesting the NPR piece doesn't note the general laudatory tone of that article).

I wonder how much hostility has actually to do with her being an American. I wouldn't overlook that, to be honest.

* The full Delingpole article is available here: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/10/meghan-markle-is-not-a-victim-of-racism/
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Certainly in my circle of Megansceptics, it is her non-realm nationality and her divorcee status that leads us to disaprove of her place in the Royal family and her public promotion of feminism that leads us to disaprove of her possessing "senior Royal" status.
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I certainly know some conservatives are hostile to her because they perceive her as being what is called woke, and pushing her husband, who, like his brother, already has a tendency to back trendy left-liberal causes, in that direction. That's basically what the Spiked article argues.

I think both sides are mistaken there. It isn't so much the ideological proclivities of the young royals I care about, but simply that contemporary left-liberalism by its nature is hostile to monarchism, especially in that monarchism needs to be built on a certain respect for tradition and acceptance that democracy and egalitarianism are not absolute values. Intersectional monarchism hardly makes sense (though, to be honest, intersectional is a mass of contradictions and idiocies anyway).

On the other hand, British monarchists should stand by the royal family and not be too hostile - indeed, be indulgent - even when we don't agree ideologically or for other reasons with their statements or acts. Respectful advice is one thing, but harsh criticism quite another. I didn't like some of the tone in the Spiked article, with its talk of the royals' privileged lives (that said, I am someone who thinks the special status of royals and nobility should be linked to an attitude of service).

I was sad to see even Peter Hitchens recommend getting rid of the royal family and just keeping the monarch him/herself:

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/01/peter-hitchens.html

I think his comments have as much or more to with the unfortunate controversy swirling around Harry's uncle than with the prince and his wife, though.

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