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Ethiomonarchist

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The President of the United States has raised the ire of many people here in the U.S.A. because of his insistance on bowing deeply to foriegn monarchs.  He raised a huge ruckus a few months back by bowing to Elizabeth II and to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and this week he has the anti-monarchist crowd in a huge tizy over his deep bow to the Emperor of Japan. 

Recent presidents of the United States have not been particularly consistent in their behavior in this regard.  The President's Bush I & II and President Ford stood straight and shook hands with foriegn monarchs, the same with Ronald Reagan.  Bill Clinton strangely gave the Emperor of Japan a "Namaste" Indian style greeting.  Jimmy Carter caused a stirr by kissing the Queen Mother on the mouth much to her dismay.  Richard Nixon was the most courtly, bowing to foriegn monarchs from the waste to roughly a 45 degree angle.  FDR is quoted as once saying "If I have to see yet another king I'm gonna bite him!"  I like President Roosevelt, but ughhh! 
President Obama bows deeper than any of the past U.S. Presidents and this hasn't sat very well with many on both sides of the aisle.  What to our fellow forum members think about this?

US President Barack Obama (L) bows as he shakes hands with Japanese ...


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The President of the United States has raised the ire of many people here in the U.S.A. because of his insistance on bowing deeply to foriegn monarchs.  He raised a huge ruckus a few months back by bowing to Elizabeth II and to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and this week he has the anti-monarchist crowd in a huge tizy over his deep bow to the Emperor of Japan.  What to our fellow forum members think about this?

US President Barack Obama (L) bows as he shakes hands with Japanese ...

           It doesn't really bother me. I really don't care! I assume it is a form of respect, but that is my view. Sounds diplomatic though... How do you feel about Obama bowing, Ethiomonarchist?

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  It doesn't really bother me. I really don't care! I assume it is a form of respect, but that is my view. Sounds diplomatic though... How do you feel about Obama bowing, Ethiomonarchist?


Royalistdefender, it pleases me to no end.  Yes he's a head of state and could have taken the option to stand straight and give a freindly handshake, but he chose to show respect and reverence for the historic institution the presides at the head of an allied nation.  I say bravo!  Such displays of respect have gone a long way in repairing America's foriegn image of arrogance and cowboy manners.

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  It doesn't really bother me. I really don't care! I assume it is a form of respect, but that is my view. Sounds diplomatic though... How do you feel about Obama bowing, Ethiomonarchist?


Royalistdefender, it pleases me to no end.  Yes he's a head of state and could have taken the option to stand straight and give a freindly handshake, but he chose to show respect and reverence for the historic institution the presides at the head of an allied nation.  I say bravo!  Such displays of respect have gone a long way in repairing America's foriegn image of arrogance and cowboy manners.

          Then I must say, it is great he did it. I might do the same as a form of respect and a way to show myself as a friend. But with people who make a big deal out of it, I must say that I am really not bothered with heads of state like the president to bow or do anyform of courtesy that is polite to a foreign institute as a sign of diplomacy.

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FDR is quoted as once saying "If I have to see yet another king I'm gonna bite him!"  I like President Roosevelt, but ughhh!   


I think FDR can be excused, since it was probably extremely painful for him to walk, let alone bow. He'd been crippled (and nearly killed) by polio in the early 1920's, couldn't use his legs. Makes bowing next to impossible.


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Its nice to see a president respect monarchy in some fashion for once.
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Royalistdefender, it pleases me to no end.  Yes he's a head of state and could have taken the option to stand straight and give a freindly handshake, but he chose to show respect and reverence for the historic institution the presides at the head of an allied nation.  I say bravo!  Such displays of respect have gone a long way in repairing America's foriegn image of arrogance and cowboy manners.


Agree 100%. I'm not at all a fan of Obama's politics, but the respect he's showing foreign dignitaries is most commendable.

Frankly, that anyone would get in a huff about the president bowing to anyone in Japan is silly -- a bow there is like a handshake.
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To be fair to the President's critics though Aaron, he did give a similar deep bow to the King of Saudi Arabia where bowing is not the norm.  I think the President's critics see a patern of deference specifically towards monarchs which galls them (and overjoys me).  If he ever bowed to President Sarkozy or Mr. Burlesconi I'd join in the denunciations.


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I think the President's critics see a patern of deference specifically towards monarchs which galls them (and overjoys me). 



....specifically, perhaps, non-Western monarchs.  I don't recall him bowing to Queen Elizabeth II though they apparently got on well.


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...Well the watch is on for when he accepts his Peace Prize from His Majesty the King of Norway.  Will he or won't he, and if he doesn't will it be because of all the criticism for bowing to Saudi and Japanese monarchs or because it's a western monarch...

It's enough to keep political pundits at it through the next few news cycles at least...

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I for one, hope that the pattern continues. Though not a fan of his politics, it is nice to see an American politician giving Monarchs some long overdue respect.

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Let us all hope he extends his respect to HM Harald V.

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I for one love Obama, and It pleases me extremely that he extends such courtesy to monarchs.

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I for one can't stand him. Even if I liked him, to bow so deeply that one appears in danger of falling flat on one's face looks silly. To do it while simultaneously shaking hands, and of course not looking at the person one is shaking hands with, looks doubly so. A little time studying actual protocol would have saved the President needless embarrassment and controversy, and would also have been more truly respectful.

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I for one also love Obama, and have tremendous respect for him. His politics are commendable, IMHO, and I feel that success at the end of his administration will vindicate his politics against his critics. Politics aside, his bow was well intentioned, and when I judge a man, I look at his intentions. He simply wanted to show respect, and didn't mind that he was doing so for a foreign head of state (his critics tend to dislike foreigners), and didn't mind that he was doing so for a monarch, to top it all off. One can try and spin that any way one likes, but it is what it is - an American President showing respect for others. 
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If at the end of Obama's administration (which I hope and trust will come on 20th January 2013) everything looks peachy, then you of course will have been proved right and I wrong. I would very much like to be wrong in this case, but from how things have gone so far doubt I will be. I still maintain that the exaggerated bow, betraying as it did an inability to find a single minute to learn the proper form, was rather a failure than expression of respect. The picture at the head of this thread was very little seen by the Japanese people, as the Japanese government considered the President to have made such a spectacle of himself that he would become a laughing stock, which they did not wish for their guest. So they leaned on their media not to publish it. How respectful is a naive display of ignorance on the part of a grown man? Not very, I would submit.

Oh, and Jonathan, dislike of Obama and his administration does not = xenophobia. US and other media do it is true portray all who oppose him as racist xenophobic nutcases. Some small portion of them may be. Some small portion of his supporters are Communist entryists, but there is no need to tar them all with that brush, nor for you to do the reverse.
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