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mikhaelalex

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I am of European descent, and as a youth with a somewhat pale complexion, blue eyes and brownish- blond hair. At the 63, the hair is now light gray going white. I would think that most of us would be of the same calibre, unless they possessed more southern Slavic traits or had some of the Asia Minor peoples in their ancestry.

I attached a photo from some years ago.


Seeing another descendant of the Komnenos Line of the Byzantine Emperors is making me feel elevated
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spot on :)


What are your features ? What do you look like ? How can we communicate and cordinate better ?
mikhaelalex

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I really want people like us to get together and set up something that will keep us all connected, can anyone of you propose any ideas ?
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Depends on where you live - the world is a mighty big place and the forum covers that mighty big world.


What i want to know is if we are ready to do something about it? I am. Where there is a will there is a way. 
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As requested there are 2 photos, one when I was around 11, the other around late 50's. I have European descent, and had brownish-blond hair that is now light gray and turning white, and my eyes are still the same shade of sapphire. My complexion is rather pale. I would think that most people of this descendancy would look the same, unless they possess some traits of Northern or Southern Slavic ancestry.

 
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I have family royalty in sicily( a baron ) and im not too sure how true it is but a member of my family of whom i have no contact with is trying to fight for the rights to the empire.

My official surname is vassallo but members of my family have the double barrelled vassallo palaeologus.

I was born in gibraltar and my family apparently moved there from malta and before that from sicily.

I’ve done a DNA test which confirmed that but it only goes back so far.

My family is a predominately military one, i myself am a british paratrooper, most of my family have quite tough features, i have blue eyes, dark hair and olive skin.
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Remember, I have mentioned the southern Slavic influence? Your complexion indicates the Med. Sea areas' peoples, and that dark hair and BLUE eyes are a common feature of southern Slavic peoples. My Byzantine heritage is from a millennia ago - long before the end of Byzantine Empire. While I don't share Sicilian blood, I do have some ancient Roman and later, Italian blood, and have descendency from the House of Savoy - which became the Italian Royal Family. Since you are Brit, like me, I also have the blood of the Wessex House, the Canmore and Stuart Houses of Scotland/England, the Plantagnents, the Welfs and the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. If you keep on looking, you may well find your ancestors include Charlemagne and his ancestors, namely Charles Martel and Duke Rollo or Roland of Normandy.

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Remember, I have mentioned the southern Slavic influence? Your complexion indicates the Med. Sea areas' peoples, and that dark hair and BLUE eyes are a common feature of southern Slavic peoples. My Byzantine heritage is from a millennia ago - long before the end of Byzantine Empire. While I don't share Sicilian blood, I do have some ancient Roman and later, Italian blood, and have descendency from the House of Savoy - which became the Italian Royal Family. Since you are Brit, like me, I also have the blood of the Wessex House, the Canmore and Stuart Houses of Scotland/England, the Plantagnents, the Welfs and the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. If you keep on looking, you may well find your ancestors include Charlemagne and his ancestors, namely Charles Martel and Duke Rollo or Roland of Normandy.

A Blackwell



Things like this are amazing,
This is a good forum and I feel really good that we all met here. It’s really important to keep knowledge of who we are and where we come from, it gives structure to us.

Our cousin Mr.Anthony is really knowledgable with this.
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The Byzantine throne only really worked on genetic descent when the family in question was strong enough to keep hold of the Empire. One could have been made Emperor by acclamation of the army (like in its distant Roman past), by birth, proclaimed so by the Patriarch (with the military's support as well of course), or simply by just taking it (like Basil I did). They didn't have a system of inheritance. Generally the son of the Emperor would be elevated to Caesar (until that title was abolished) and then eventually Co-Emperor when he got old enough. If he was lucky and an ambitious general didn't seize power before he was old enough, then he became sole Emperor. So it is interesting to discuss the idea of heirs to the Palaiologoi, their current heir to head of the family would not have any solid claim to the Imperial throne.





To say that current head wouldn’t have any claim isn’t proper in my view. There were restorations and two reigns of the same emperor in the Roman / Byzantine History.
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'Solid claim' was the wording. Though I would go further and say no claim at all. There were 16 Byzantine imperial dynasties, plus nine one-off Emperors who established no continuing line. The Angeloi were the 14th of these dynasties, but the first whose founding Emperor was descended from any previous occupant of the throne. There is quite a strong suggestion there that claims derived from previously ruling dynasties were not really much of a factor in the literally Byzantine succession process.
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But still a good claim
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I have family royalty in sicily( a baron ) and im not too sure how true it is but a member of my family of whom i have no contact with is trying to fight for the rights to the empire.

My official surname is vassallo but members of my family have the double barrelled vassallo palaeologus.

I was born in gibraltar and my family apparently moved there from malta and before that from sicily.

I’ve done a DNA test which confirmed that but it only goes back so far.

My family is a predominately military one, i myself am a british paratrooper, most of my family have quite tough features, i have blue eyes, dark hair and olive skin.


You will definitely have documented ancestors if you are from a family that’s been in the military. I want to learn more about you and your relative. Your physical features seem to resemble mine in some ways. Which ancestor’s name can you tell ?
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Someone asked me about the Byzantine ancestors I have in my research, I have copied these out. One didn't make the cut - that was Emperor Leo V called "The Armenian". My ring is quite modern, created for me back in the late 1990's when I received my first knighthood.

 
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Well... tell you the truth I am done with my ancestry quest: proved it to myself through historians and DNA - there were matches to a dozen European royal lines too... but after that the question came: "ok so my great grandfather was the last comnenus emperor... he is dead, the empire is dead, and I am only judged by my actions, not my father's or anyone elses. What does it all matter?"




so this is in relation to the post that is deleted, i have the same answer for that, but i am somewhat taken aback because you are behaving like a man who has resources but just not using it, as a cousin of yours (seeking that we have a common ancestor) i will tell you that you are more lucky to have a Ring , All i have is family Tradition to tell me about how a Komnenos Family Princess married off to a Sultan and from there i count my ancestry. YOU HAVE A RING!!! do something about it or just let me buy it from you in the future. or lets do something about our Ancestry together, I mean more than just social networking.
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Someone asked me about the Byzantine ancestors I have in my research, I have copied these out. One didn't make the cut - that was Emperor Leo V called "The Armenian". My ring is quite modern, created for me back in the late 1990's when I received my first knighthood.



I am so amazed seeing your ancestral line connecting to mine, It feels like finding a long lost brother, Mine is from the Trapzond Empire Period which is towards present day Turkey and Azerbaijan. 
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