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Acrobatis

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Hah, Byzantines were the continuation of Rome, and I guess as you already know they were (the first Christian state) calling themselves Romans, until the Comnenus family (and their descendants Palaiologoi, Doukas, Great Comnenus), where they started calling themselves Greeks. Only the westerners were calling them imperium Graecorum, because they wanted to claim Roman descendancy. They were named “Byzantines” in the 16th century by a monk called Wolfe. Their lands were the Roman land covering North Africa, Asia Minor, Italy, the balkans, the Middle East etc. I did a dna test at some point and surprisingly (my mother was always proud we “are” pure Greeks :p ) I am 60% Greek, and the rest come from all countries surrounding Greece (Italy, North Africa, Middle East, west Asia minor).
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You speak nonsense, DNA are telling u from where exactky found records of ur dna, that doesnt mean u are from middle east for example. Or for instance to mine it mention turkey as well just because in 1735 i have a record which ofc i do have but not turk, its from Trapezounda my grandfather grandfather was there.... most probably u are 100% Greek like me. Check on ur relatives for example do u have any name foreigner? Me no all of them are Greek names or USA , English and rtc as many moved there.
Mostly my DNA is Spartan from my dad's side and my grand mother. Only my grand father aide comes from there. But to me it says italian middle east albania for no reason lol, caucasian turkey georgia kazankstan armebia and all this territory. If u read ancestry u ll see that i m right.
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I have researched my roots, and I have ancestry from the same sources. The Italian are the oldest I could find, coming from many ancestors of the senatorial class, the Gens that were the ancestors of Caesar, other Imperial ancestors as well. The oldest predated the founding of Rome by 30 some years. The North African included the Vandal Kingdom. The Middle East included the Parthians (these are mentioned in the Bible); as to the Middle East, I have traced at least one ancestor back to "Samarkand" in present Uzbekistan. There is also both Visigoth and Ostrogoth strains as well.
Unlike you, I have a lot of W European blood - mainly French (Roman based) and present day German, a minor amount of present day Austria/Poland/Ukraine ancestry, plus some very small amounts of Portuguese and Spanish. My Swiss is the opposite of these bloodlines - all peasant, mainly Mennonite/Amish. I do have one tropical African ancestor - the well known And de Sousa.

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al: what are your  sources for your ancient lineages?
Alwellus

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Old recorded from the family genealogies in Europe. I took confirmed names that could be proven historically, and then used Ancestry to find the links and then confirmed the links via internet research. I also used other family groups and checked via their blood lines.
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internet sites without citations are not to be trusted unless there is independent verification. ancestry.com is particularly bad at this as most trees refer to older trees as reference. the latter often  lacking non-internet sources
Alwellus

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That is why I confirmed any "questionable" finds with other inquiries into historical texts and older family trees of long standing acceptability.
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Happy to see a “relative” :) my email iscpanayis@gmail.com . Care to exchange notes?


I tried to email you but didn’t get through, I wanted to know if you have any knowledge about the daughter of Manuel III Komnenos who was married off to a Sultan of Azerbaijan Turkmen named Qara Yusuf. What can you tell me about it ? I want to share some info about that as well
Alwellus

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I check my tree listing of ancestors, and the only Komnenos forbears are John and Alexius - these were dated back to the early 1000's.
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I check my tree listing of ancestors, and the only Komnenos forbears are John and Alexius - these were dated back to the early 1000's.


I know the Ancestors you are referring to, I find them in my family tradition as well, i am referring to the Trabzone Empire Period. There was an Emperor named Manuel , he married off his daughter to a Ruler of Turkomen in the Caucasus , I trace my ancestry from there according to family Tradition that we have.
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I am reasonably sure that I don't have any Trabzone blood in the family - the name just doesn't ring any bell. The closest thing is an ancestor named Samakand or something akin from Uzbechistan or the like. Anything else from that neck of the woods were of Parthian descent.

Sorry I was a dead end to you, my newly found distant cousin!

Best,

Antony Blackwell, your distant kinsman

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mikhaelalex

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I am very delighted to get in touch with you as this search has been on since the time i can remember, Thank You your reply, in our family Tradition on My Mother's side we have this information, there was the Emperor of Trabzond who was named Manuel, he was a descendant of the Komnenos Dynasty Emperor Alexius from whom you are also a descending. So This Emperor of Trabzond Manuel III had a daughter and I am a descendant of this Daughter of Manuel III. this is somewhere in the mid 1300s. What I am Happy about is that finally I have come in contact with a fellow Distant Kinsman/Cousin. I hope we talk more and make an attempt to meet with other descendants someday if possible.
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IT was good to hear back from you. I will see if I can find the other Byzantine ancestors, and email them to you.

Seems odd on this Sunday, not to be in Church - our Bishop shut all churches down this Sunday - don't know about next week. I did drive around the city, and some are open; others are not.

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I will be very happy if I get in touch with more of us, I always believed there will be more out there who are more like me.

I wish you strength in this covid pandemic which has hit almost the whole world. I am much more delighted to hear from you
Acrobatis

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Well... tell you the truth I am done with my ancestry quest: proved it to myself through historians and DNA - there were matches to a dozen European royal lines too... but after that the question came: "ok so my great grandfather was the last comnenus emperor... he is dead, the empire is dead, and I am only judged by my actions, not my father's or anyone elses. What does it all matter?"
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