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Ponocrates

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"I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally," Francis said at a press conference aboard the papal plane returning from Armenia.

"The Church must ask forgiveness for not behaving many times -- when I say the Church, I mean Christians! The Church is holy, we are sinners!"

As he often does during unscripted moments -- particularly papal news conferences -- the Pope spoke expansively, saying the church should seek forgiveness for a number of historical slights committed in its name.

"I believe that the church not only should apologize to the person who is gay whom it has offended," he added, "but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor; it has to ask forgiveness for having blessed many weapons."


Always controversial, but I bet he's due for the Nobel Peace Prize. 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/world/pope-apologize-gays/index.html


 

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I wouldn't want to dishonour anyone with that thoroughly discredited award. I saw the Pope's statement this morning, and for the second time in only a few days was astounded and delighted by something on the news. I am sure the delight will not be universally shared here, but Pope Francis is still quite right.
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I'm 100% in disagreement with you there Peter. How can you ask all people of a religion to apologize for something that some people from their religion have done, and which used to be according to the accepted norms for centuries? I'm sad to see how the pope wants to slander his own religion even in times where it is already not doing well. 

Gays used to be discriminated not just by Christians, but by atheists as well - see how they were treated in Nazi-Germany and by the Soviet Union. 
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Christians were at it long before the Nazis and the Soviet Union, and carried on after those evils were thankfully gone from the world. The first ever organised persecution of gay people known to history was under Christian auspices in the later Roman Empire, with many deaths. The Roman Catholic Church's official doctrine still condemns gay people to lifelong celibacy, on penalty of mortal sin and eternal damnation if they do otherwise. It was not some long-ago Pope but Benedict XVI who barred gay men from ordination, regardless of their personal chastity. Perhaps the Pope should not have sought to speak for anyone but the Church of which he is earthly head, but he spoke well otherwise.
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As long as papal apologies are the thing, can French royalists have one for the Toast of Algiers, the Ralliement, and the condemnation of Action Française?
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I do not disagree with the Pope's sentiments, except that I think there is a difference between the Church and individual Christians. I don't see why individual Christians should apologise if they have done nothing wrong. Anyway, personally we should bear no ill will or hatred to any, as far as we are able. Of course, the actual meaning of his words should be respected, without more being read into them.
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