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Hello,

I hope it's not rude to advertise a Facebook page I just started - we all have common aim, after all. It's a website dedicated for Polish (and not only) monarchists.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nasza-Monarchia/505366129544359

As you can see it's just started and there's not much more. The aim is to gather as many Polish (and not only) monarchists, mainly to spread the view on what monarchy is and isn't. Therefore you're mostly welcome to like it, participate and spread a word to your friends. :) I'll be active at this Forum, that's for sure. I'm pretty sure I've been registered here before, sadly I don't remember my username.

Best wishes to all of you! :)

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Welcome. We always welcome new members here, who aim to promote their monarchist ideals. For Poland, what dynasty do you propose or do you believe a new king should be chosen from any number of noble families?
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Well, shame that Poland doesn't have a real legitimist tradition and existing royal dynasties. The closest to legitimist pretender to the Polish throne would be a Wettin - descendant of Saxon electors, Rudiger. Polish Constitution of May 3 granted the crown to Frederick Augustus I (1750-1827), making his only child, Princess Maria Augusta (1782-1863) an infanta. With no direct male successor of Frederick Augustus the constitution granted a choice to a special Chamber, however it was, of course, never used as Poland ceased to exist. Therefore Rudiger von Sachsen would be not-quite-legitimist pretender. Still better than none, I suppose? :)
My 'personal favorite', however, would be Prince Gabriel of Belgium, who is in 1/4 Polish (his grandfather is Countess Anne Komorowska born in Bialogard, Poland)! He is an oldest son of King Phillip and Queen Mathilde, but is not predestined to reign (as he's got older sister, Princess Elizabeth). None of the members of European royal houses are that close to the Polish ancestry as Prince Gabriel. And one can also argue, that on his father's side he is descended from Wettin, so somehow he meets the requirements of May 3 Constitution. :) It's just a little shame, that his mother, 1/2 Polish, Queen Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz doesn't speak any Polish; Prince Gabriel would be also far from that, I suppose.

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Was the Polish monarchy not elective? At least, I know it was during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Please forgive my lack of knowledge of Polish history. Anyway, welcome! I'm sure no one will object to you advancing the monarchist cause on a monarchist forum.  
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It was, but under the last king, Stanislaw II (better known as Stanislaw Poniatowski) it was decided to change to electing dynasties, so there would only be an election if a dynasty became extinct, otherwise there would be normal hereditary succession. I thought Prince Gabriel an interesting candidate to suggest, as I seem to remember reading that his mother is one of the nearest living relations of Stanislaw II. I don't think I dreamed it, but I can't find the reference in the usual places one would look; maybe sometime I'll look into it more directly.
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Exatly, it's like that. And the two earlier dynasties with hereditary monarchs, Piast and Jagiellons, are extinct for a very long time now.

As for Prince Gabriel's mother and King Stanisław they share a lot of common ancestors. Families of Czartoryski, Sapieha, Sanguszko etc.

Now I also thought about another Polish candidate - Adam Karol Czartoryski. VERY closely related to King Juan Carlos I (his first cousin) and therefore to other European families. But he is 73 now, he's got just a daughter Tamara from morganatic marriage. She's 35, single, living in Hollywood and... I'm not sure about that.

During mid-war period, some Polish monarchists suggested Karol Olbracht Habsburg-Lotaryński, so Karl Albrecht von Habsburg-Lothringen, Polish patriot. Very nice biography - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Karl_Albrecht_of_Austria. He was actually Polish and he felt a great connection to that state. I'm pretty sure he would make a great King. Now, after morganatic marriage (with Anna Ancarcrona, still a member of a decent Swedish nobility) he had children with no rights to the Austrian throne and to the name - since then it would be von Altenburg. I believe Karl Albrecht's successor would be his great-grandson Eduardo Carlos Ramón Maria de Zulueta y Altenburgo. Hmm...

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I think Prince Gabriel is a great choice!
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Gabriel has the advantage of Polish ancestry (including being very distantly related to the current President Bronislaw Komorowski), and of course being Catholic. The Habsburgs would be another possible candidate, perhaps in the realisation of the Intermarium ideal from the Baltic to the Adriatic. On the other hand it isn't a bad idea to say that different members of the same family with local connections can reign over different states, it's been done before!
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WELCOME  NaszaMonarchia  ! 

Best wishes  to your new Group !

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Thanks for nice words and for liking the page, Gianni! I already liked some of the Italian monarchist Facebook profiles (as Nasza Monarchia). If any of you know some good Facebook profiles (i.e. from your countries) I could like (for sharing news, pictures etc.) then please share with me! :)
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My good friend Kasia is Polish!

This is her profile: http://royalcello.websitetoolbox.com/profile/2025291
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Thanks for the honorable mention of me, TheBrownEyedPoet! [biggrin] And I see that all of you are discussing the possibility of a hypothetical restoration of the Polish monarchy on this thread, which is a interesting idea, but difficult to execute it into practice. However, Prince Gabriel of Belgium seems like a good choice, a idea that I had proposed to a fellow monarchist friend one time on a chat on Facebook.
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