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I don't mean to upset any Beatles fans here, but frankly I loved this:

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Originally Posted by Peter Hitchens

Paul McCartney, who was a popular singing star many years ago and is for some unfathomable reason treated as if he is a serious person, tells us that he thinks the Monarchy is ‘an amazingly old-fashioned affair’.

In that case, I had better call him Mr McCartney. For if he thinks kings and queens are outdated, he must feel the same way about knighthoods, not to mention the MBE that he was careful to cite when he so irresponsibly called for cannabis to be legalised back in the old-fashioned Sixties.

Mr McCartney is much more outdated than the Monarchy. I don’t just mean that anyone listening today to the works of The Beatles must be puzzled and embarrassed that such trivial stuff plunged millions of teenage girls into shrieking hysteria.

I mean that his political views are much the same as those of a student revolutionary of half a century ago, or of a BBC executive (much the same thing). During the past 40 years or so, republics haven’t exactly distinguished themselves, have they?

Apartheid South Africa was a republic. East Germany  was a republic. Iran and Iraq are republics. North Korea is a republic. Republican America searched through more than 200 million citizens for a President and came up with . . . George W. Bush.

Yet among the small number of the longest-lasting free, law-governed countries in the world, most are monarchies. This fact would make an adult think.

But like so many children of the Sixties – and children is the right word –  Mr McCartney has  generally preferred fashionable beliefs to independent thought.


http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/02/im-glad-you-have-given-up-cannabis-paul-maybe-youll-think-straight-now.html

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I don't mean to upset any Beatles fans here,


The Beatles sound pretty dated compared to the best work of the Rolling Stones, e.g.  Also what has McCartney done in the last 35 years?   Collecting royalty checks?  

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 During the past 40 years or so, republics haven’t exactly distinguished themselves, have they?

Apartheid South Africa was a republic. East Germany  was a republic. Iran and Iraq are republics. North Korea is a republic. Republican America searched through more than 200 million citizens for a President and came up with . . . George W. Bush.

Yet among the small number of the longest-lasting free, law-governed countries in the world, most are monarchies. This fact would make an adult think.


Excellent article!

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I think Hitchens got the wrong end of the stick! Paul McCartney supports the monarchy, and to me it seems ‘an amazingly old-fashioned affair’ was meant in a positive way.


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No, it was in the context of saying that he "can see the argument of anti-monarchists."  To be fair, though, he followed it up with admitting that he would not want to see Blair or Cameron leading Britain in big celebrations.  Hitchens may have over-reacted to the fairly mild monarchy component of McCartney's comments due to his visceral hatred of the drug culture McCartney partially represents, as is clear from the bulk of the blog entry.  That of course does not invalidate his general points about monarchies versus republics and the paradox of outdated republicanism, or even the absurdity of the deference the modern world gives to aging rock stars, all topics on which I am in full agreement with Hitchens. 
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On a private Dylan site I belong to, most members are for some unaccountable reason Beatles and McCartney fans. There are just two others of my mind, which is that the Beatles are obviously historically and culturally important but their music was of no lasting merit and their solo work mostly of no merit. McCartney is usually referred to by us as 'the fat gerbil-faced one' if we join in discussions of Beatles music. Which is rarely. Since I don't take my political opinions from musicians, especially ones I don't think are very good, I am entirely uninterested in McCartney's views on the monarchy.

It is true, as suggested in the various links, that Bob Dylan introduced the Beatles to marijuana. He also introduced them to the idea of writing lyrics that said something more significant than 'I love you and you love me'. So they moved from being an inferior copy of Smokey Robinson and the Miracles to being an inferior copy of Bob Dylan. Big deal, except that due to their success and fame it actually was. I still don't get it, and don't think their music special except in terms of its cultural impact. The Rolling Stones are another matter, a genuinely great as opposed to merely celebrated band.
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I agree that Bob Dylan is one of the greats and never sold out.   He's an independent man.  

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