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EricTheRed

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Can a monarchist be patriotic if his country is a republic?



What are you going to do for the Fourth of July?

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Eric,

As to your first question, I'm not particularly sure how to go about answering it.  Perhaps some of the other monarchists here will be more helpful in this area.

The easier of your two questions (the latter!) has the following answer:

I have to work (8ish hours)!  >.<

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If one lives in a nation which has fallen to the republicans it seems to me that the most patriotic thing one can do is promote monarchy. To be a patriot one must love one’s nation and her people which means, among many things, desiring that she be governed properly, and by the system which is best for her. It is a false nationalism, which is actually contrary to true patriotism, to love the revolutionary myths and propaganda. This is what Jacobite did not grasp. 

 

This is a burning question, one which I do not have a great answer too.  For today’s Loyalist on the 4th of July I would keep the celebration a more subdued event centered more on the gathering of family.    Some have suggested listening to British royalist music tomorrow, which I find to be a great idea.  Some more zealous men may choose to wear a black arm band and raise a toast to George III.  One should weight this option carefully when gathering with family.   I can not get excited about Independence Day and if it were up to me I would treat it as any other day of the week.  My family makes that option more difficult. 


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I cannot speak for other monarchists, but for myself, despite the fact that I was once a patriotic American who served in its military, I have no patriotism for this country whatsoever.  My main beef is not so much with republicanism (although I deplore it) but with the horror of abortion, pornography, contraception, and the other offenses against God's holy Will which are practiced with such "perfection" in this nation.  I find it impossible to be patriotic towards a country which murders millions of its own unborn children each year.

 

I'll get off my moral soap box and answer the second question. I am planning to celebrate the 4th this year (or rather the 4th on the 3rd due to family reasons).  I see this holiday as a day of family and friends, and a chance to see a small part of this nation being blown up (everybody loves fireworks!!).


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For me the 4th of July is pretty much a non-issue. Last year I spent the day in Her Majesty's Dominion of Canada with Englishroyalist and never throught twice about it. At home, I do not celebrate at all as I live in Texas and our independence day is March 2. On July 4, 1776 Texas was still (and would be for quite some time to come) part of the dominons of the King of Spain. Since I will be home this year, weather permitting, I will fly my Grand Union flag instead of the Lone Star to show my support for America but with ties to the monarchy represented too. I may even wear a black armband or something of the like as no one down here, except possibly my northern mother, would find anything controversial about it -since- the Fourth of July was the day the Confederate garrison at Vicksburg surrendered and which is why July 4 was not celebrated way down south in Dixie for quite some time.



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Sad fact is it's Britain's fault the war was lost here. They made several HUGE tactical blunders end of story. I do indeed support what this country(US) was when it was started. The original colonies and some of what proceeded from them were founded on strong principal. I support that memory, not what America is today. Monarchy as a whole in government I prefer.

But the British as that time were taxing and laying too much on the colonists. This is also their faults. It also is a product of misunderstanding.

Had the King known more of the situation, he would have remedied it with care and things likely would have been different. Fact is the Brits screwed up a very simple war. They fed republicanism with some misguided tyranny and stupid losses. I applaud the Republicans for giving the Britons something to chew on so they didn't make the same mistakes again... Well atleast for a couple hundred years.

I don't mind giving some thought to some motivated men who made their dreams happen when their old masters made some deplorable misteps.

But then again, I support the rightful House of Stuart so I probably am not much partial to those who rule in their stead.

That's my two cents.

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But then again, I support the rightful House of Stuart so I probably am not much partial to those who rule in their stead.

That's my two cents.

Dear Blayne,

There is no House of Stuart anymore, the most valid claim to the British Throne rests with Bavaria's Royal House of Wittelsbach, which is descended from the younger sister of Bonnie Prince Charlie. kingstowngalway


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But the British as that time were taxing and laying too much on the colonists. This is also their faults.

 

This is one of those Revolutionary myths I was talking about. 

 

No, Old England’s taxes weren’t popular over here. But when America complained, London listened. The 1765 Stamp Act was repealed by Parliament the very next year after the colonists protested. Parliament tried again in 1767 with the Townsend Acts, taxing imported glass, paper, lead, and tea. The colonies roared again, and the British backed down again, repealing everything but the tea tax in 1770. Yet these are the guys who get smeared as tyrants! (http://www.lewrockwell.com/attarian/attarian9.html)

 

Keep in mind that Britian was nearly bankrupt from fighting the French on behalf of the American colonies during the French and Indian War (which a young George Washington had a hand in starting).  That the colonies pay something back is only just.  Let us also keep in mind that they had the French to contend with.  If it had been the American colony verses the British Empire today would be just one more day in July.


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Excuse me, I simply meant Jacobitism in general. Unfortunately Francis II doesn't want the throne.
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For the first part of the question, I agree with WhiteCockade.

 

And for the second part, I watched fireworks and all that good stuff. Fireworks are, indeed, always enjoyable. Unfortunately, most people here only light them off during the 4th of July. And my dad barbequed some food, and I roasted marshmellows, so that's always a good thing (although I burnt my thumb a bit lighting the fire for the marshmellow roasting)

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