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Wessexman

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You sem to have remarkable access to private polling on a whole range of topics.
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You sem to have remarkable access to private polling on a whole range of topics.

According to opinion polls, 15% of the Italians support restoration of the Italian monarchy and 8% of the Italians want Emanuele Filiberto to become King of Italy:
https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/italian-pretender-announces-the-return-of-the-monarchy-in-italy-133414/

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Well, that's something at least. I wonder how the poll was conducted though, especially how the main question was introduced.
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Most Italian monarchists support the claim of Emanuele Filiberto to the Italian throne


That's still a rather bold statement to make considering that polling can be sketchy based on who is being asked.  Also, how is it that you've skipped over Emanuele Filberto's father Prince Vittorio Emanuele?  Isn't he the claimant in that line rather than his son?  Or are you disqualifying him but not his son for some novel reason?

The leading monarchist organization in Italy, Unione Monarchica Italiana, supports the Duke of Aosta as apparently does Vittorio Emanuele's own sister, Princess Maria Gabriella.

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That's still a rather bold statement to make considering that polling can be sketchy based on who is being asked.  Also, how is it that you've skipped over Emanuele Filberto's father Prince Vittorio Emanuele?  Isn't he the claimant in that line rather than his son?  Or are you disqualifying him but not his son for some novel reason?

The leading monarchist organization in Italy, Unione Monarchica Italiana, supports the Duke of Aosta as apparently does Vittorio Emanuele's own sister, Princess Maria Gabriella.


And a fair bit of it is regional, too. For instance, as someone whose family is from Molise, I support Prince Carlo, Duke of Castro, as king of the two Sicilies, which I'd rather see as an independent kingdom.

Though I'd take any of the above over keeping Italy as a republic.
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That's still a rather bold statement to make considering that polling can be sketchy based on who is being asked.  Also, how is it that you've skipped over Emanuele Filberto's father Prince Vittorio Emanuele?  Isn't he the claimant in that line rather than his son?  Or are you disqualifying him but not his son for some novel reason?

The leading monarchist organization in Italy, Unione Monarchica Italiana, supports the Duke of Aosta as apparently does Vittorio Emanuele's own sister, Princess Maria Gabriella.

Polls aren't perfect, but they are the best way to gauge public opinion. Vittorio Emanuele is indeed the heir to the Italian throne, but he ought to abdicate in favour of Emanuele Filiberto, if the Italian monarchy is restored, because he has been embroiled in a lot of scandals. King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicated in favour of his son Felipe, because he was embroiled in scandals.
I feel sorry for Vittorio Emanuele, because he has been betrayed by his sister. My sister supports my claim to the Kurdish throne.
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Are you referring to what was said on this thread? Or are you resurrecting what was said long ago? I sick and tired of random things being dragged up from years old threads and inserted in current discussions. I'm also sick and tired about people being sick and tired of things, especially when those things seem not to actually be the case (like the alleged anti-Israel stance of monarchists).

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Are you referring to what was said on this thread? Or are you resurrecting what was said long ago? I sick and tired of random things being dragged up from years old threads and inserted in current discussions. I'm also sick and tired about people being sick and tired of things, especially when those things seem not to actually be the case (like the alleged anti-Israel stance of monarchists).


I don't claim that most members of this forum hate Israel. Peter, Matthew J Taylor and DavidV support Israel, while Ethiomonarchist hates Israel. We disagree on Haganah, but you aren't opposed to present-day Israel. Most pro-Zionist members of this forum support Israel for secular reasons, while I support Israel for religious reasons. I believe in dual-covenant theology, but most Christian members of this forum are supersessionists. I support establishing a sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank, despite supporting Israel for religious reasons, but Israel ought to keep the Temple Mount and the Old City of Jerusalem. Israel losing the Temple Mount and the Old City of Jerusalem is unacceptable to me.
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Azadi I suggest you make a middle east thread where we can discuss thhe merits and failures of the different regimes.
Let's keep this one about Italy.

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I don't claim that most members of this forum hate Israel. Peter, Matthew J Taylor and DavidV support Israel, while Ethiomonarchist hates Israel. We disagree on Haganah, but you aren't opposed to present-day Israel. Most pro-Zionist members of this forum support Israel for secular reasons, while I support Israel for religious reasons. I believe in dual-covenant theology, but most Christian members of this forum are supersessionists. I support establishing a sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank, despite supporting Israel for religious reasons, but Israel ought to keep the Temple Mount and the Old City of Jerusalem. Israel losing the Temple Mount and the Old City of Jerusalem is unacceptable to me.


you can count me as a supporter of israel as well
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Ethiomonarchist hates Israel


You are completely messed up!  There is something wrong with you.  Do you know what you are saying???  You need to take that back and apologize.  You are making a very serious false allegation here.  Never have I ever said I hate Israel, and actually I feel the complete opposite.  I used to think you were just wacky but now I think you have a serious problem.  How dare you!

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Azadi I am sick and tired of you making proclamations about me.  This is not the first time.  You need to check your behavior if you want to be taken seriously.  I am very angered by this latest charge that I hate Israel.  You know next to nothing about me.  How dare you make such a statement in a public forum about someone you don't know.  Where have you seen me say such a thing?  Where have you seen me mention Israel at all in a negative way?  I am actually a firm supporter of Israel and I love it's people.  I have family who took refuge there during the revolution in my home land.  You cant expect to spout things like that out of nowhere.  I have warned you before not to put words in my mouth, now you are putting evil feelings in my heart???  Where do you get off and how dare you!!!!
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I certainly couldn't recall you ever saying or suggesting such a thing, but didn't remark on that since I presumed that you would in good time respond for yourself. Well, you certainly have, and I trust Azadi will be apologising.
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Azadi if you don't apologize to Ethiomonarchist for your lie you will you be banned.
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Azadi I am sick and tired of you making proclamations about me.  This is not the first time.  You need to check your behavior if you want to be taken seriously.  I am very angered by this latest charge that I hate Israel.  You know next to nothing about me.  How dare you make such a statement in a public forum about someone you don't know.  Where have you seen me say such a thing?  Where have you seen me mention Israel at all in a negative way?  I am actually a firm supporter of Israel and I love it's people.  I have family who took refuge there during the revolution in my home land.  You cant expect to spout things like that out of nowhere.  I have warned you before not to put words in my mouth, now you are putting evil feelings in my heart???  Where do you get off and how dare you!!!!

I apologize for claiming that you hate Israel.


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