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Konstantin Malofeyev, a prominent Russian oligarch, who supports Putin, has founded a new monarchist party:
https://thebell.io/en/russia-s-orthodox-tycoon-is-bankrolling-a-monarchist-movement-but-where-does-he-get-his-money/

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Some members of the forum have claimed, that the Putin government is a continuation of the Soviet regime. That claim is utterly wrong. Malofeyev is a staunch supporter of Putin, but he is also a monarchist and an Orthodox Christian. If Putin was a Communist, Russian monarchists wouldn't support him. The Kremlin isn't trying to suppress Malofeyev's new monarchist party. Western monarchists ought to support Putin and they ought to reject the Russophobia of the Western globalist liberals. Most Republican US Senators and Congressmen are trying to prevent Trump from improving relations with Russia. That's unacceptable. I admire Putin and Malofeyev. Putin is my preferred current non-royal state leader.
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Some members of the forum have claimed, that the Putin government is a continuation of the Soviet regime. That claim is utterly wrong. Malofeyev is a staunch supporter of Putin, but he is also a monarchist and an Orthodox Christian. If Putin was a Communist, Russian monarchists wouldn't support him. The Kremlin isn't trying to suppress Malofeyev's new monarchist party. Western monarchists ought to support Putin and they ought to reject the Russophobia of the Western globalist liberals. Most Republican US Senators and Congressmen are trying to prevent Trump from improving relations with Russia. That's unacceptable. I admire Putin and Malofeyev. Putin is my preferred current non-royal state leader.


I believe you've misunderstood our arguments. Nobody has claimed Putin is a communist.

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I believe you've misunderstood our arguments. Nobody has claimed Putin is a communist.

I know, that you believe, that the Russian government oppresses the Uralic ethnic minorities of Russia, but many members of this forum dislike the Putin regime for other reasons. DavidV often condemns the Putin regime, because he claims, that the Putin regime supports Stalinist nostalgia. DavidV and the other members of the forum, who condemns the Putin regime, doesn't distinguish sufficiently between the Putin regime and the Soviet regime. The Putin regime supports the Orthodox Church, while the Soviet regime supported state atheism. The Soviet regime suppressed monarchism, while Putin allows advocating restoration of the Russian monarchy. Many Russian monarchists support Putin. 
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I know, that you believe, that the Russian government oppresses the Uralic ethnic minorities of Russia, but many members of this forum dislike the Putin regime for other reasons. DavidV often condemns the Putin regime, because he claims, that the Putin regime supports Stalinist nostalgia. DavidV and the other members of the forum, who condemns the Putin regime, doesn't distinguish sufficiently between the Putin regime and the Soviet regime. The Putin regime supports the Orthodox Church, while the Soviet regime supported state atheism. The Soviet regime suppressed monarchism, while Putin allows advocating restoration of the Russian monarchy. Many Russian monarchists support Putin. 


To my knowledge, the people here have said that the breakup of the USSR was a sort of a cosmetic makeup. Since I can only argue sufficiently from my own perspective, I'll say that, in my opinion, the current Russian state is just as much against genuine human spirit as was the Soviet Union. Of course, the gulag has changed to appropriation, but the results remain the same: the suppression of spirit. We can discuss this topic at length if you want.

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To my knowledge, the people here have said that the breakup of the USSR was a sort of a cosmetic makeup. Since I can only argue sufficiently from my own perspective, I'll say that, in my opinion, the current Russian state is just as much against genuine human spirit as was the Soviet Union. Of course, the gulag has changed to appropriation, but the results remain the same: the suppression of spirit. We can discuss this topic at length if you want.

Claiming, that the breakup of the USSR was a cosmetic makeup is utterly wrong. The USSR supported state atheism, suppressed monarchism, abolished private enterprise and collectivized agriculture. The Putin regime supports the Russian Orthodox Church, allows advocating monarchism and allows private enterprise to exist.
Criticizing the Putin regime isn't unreasonable. Russia isn't a real democracy, and corruption is widespread. Criticizing Putin for suppressing political opposition, limiting freedom of the press and tolerating corruption make sense. But Putin tolerates limited political pluralism. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is represented in the Duma and it's strongly opposed to the economic policy of the Russian government, while supporting the foreign policies of Putin.
I support the reunification of Crimea with Russia, because Russia has a stronger historical claim to Crimea than Ukraine has and because the vast majority of the Crimeans supports reunification with Russia. But I'm opposed to Russian irredentism in Eastern Europe beyond Crimea and I support Ukrainian independence.
I support the Russian intervention in Syria, because I prefer Assad to PYD and the Islamist rebels. In addition, Russia wants Assad to make Kurdish an official language of Syria. 

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Claiming, that the breakup of the USSR was a cosmetic makeup is utterly wrong. The USSR supported state atheism, suppressed monarchism, abolished private enterprise and collectivized agriculture. The Putin regime supports the Russian Orthodox Church, allows advocating monarchism and allows private enterprise to exist.
Criticizing the Putin regime isn't unreasonable. Russia isn't a real democracy, and corruption is widespread. Criticizing Putin for suppressing political opposition, limiting freedom of the press and tolerating corruption make sense. But Putin tolerates limited political pluralism. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is represented in the Duma and it's strongly opposed to the economic policy of the Russian government, while supporting the foreign policies of Putin.
I support the reunification of Crimea with Russia, because Russia has a stronger historical claim to Crimea than Ukraine has and because the vast majority of the Crimeans supports reunification with Russia. But I'm opposed to Russian irredentism in Eastern Europe beyond Crimea and I support Ukrainian independence.
I support the Russian intervention in Syria, because I prefer Assad to PYD and the Islamist rebels. In addition, Russia wants Assad to make Kurdish an official language of Syria. 



I am sorry to say this, but you didn't really respond to my comment. The things you mentioned are merely signs of the cosmetic makeup. Like I already said, the gulag has been replaced by appropriation, but the results remain the same. How are the things you mentioned not just parts of a big act?

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I am sorry to say this, but you didn't really respond to my comment. The things you mentioned are merely signs of the cosmetic makeup. Like I already said, the gulag has been replaced by appropriation, but the results remain the same. How are the things you mentioned not just parts of a big act?

The Putin regime is an authoritarian conservative regime. Putin is the Franco of Russia. Putin was a KGB agent, but he was never a high-ranking member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and he was never an ideological Communist. Putin has always been a Russian nationalist. Boris Yeltsin was a member of the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but nobody claims, that Yeltsin was a Communist, when he was the President of Russia.
I would like Russia to emulate Japan after the death of Putin, but the Putin regime is far better than the Soviet regime.
I will likely endorse Malofeyev's new party in the next Duma election. Malofeyev wants to restore the Russian monarchy and he supports Putin. 
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The Putin regime is an authoritarian conservative regime. Putin is the Franco of Russia. Putin was a KGB agent, but he was never a high-ranking member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and he was never an ideological Communist. Putin has always been a Russian nationalist. Boris Yeltsin was a member of the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but nobody claims, that Yeltsin was a Communist, when he was the President of Russia.
I would like Russia to emulate Japan after the death of Putin, but the Putin regime is far better than the Soviet regime.
I will likely endorse Malofeyev's new party in the next Duma election. Malofeyev wants to restore the Russian monarchy and he supports Putin. 


If you understand conservatism as just a bunch of empty words, then yes, the Putin regime is an authoritarian conservative regime. I personally understand conservatism the same way Jack Kerouac did, as "order, tenderness and piety". Modern Russia only has these things outwardly, as evidenced by the corruption prevalent in the country.

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If you understand conservatism as just a bunch of empty words, then yes, the Putin regime is an authoritarian conservative regime. I personally understand conservatism the same way Jack Kerouac did, as "order, tenderness and piety". Modern Russia only has these things outwardly, as evidenced by the corruption prevalent in the country.

Corruption is indeed prevalent in Russia. The Russian Federation is no utopia. But the Russian Federation is far better than Soviet Russia. I want Russia to emulate Japan, because Japan is a democratic constitutional monarchy, which is ruled by a conservative nationalist government. 
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Corruption is indeed prevalent in Russia. The Russian Federation is no utopia. But the Russian Federation is far better than Soviet Russia. I want Russia to emulate Japan, because Japan is a democratic constitutional monarchy, which is ruled by a conservative nationalist government. 


If the Russian Federation is merely just better than the Soviet Union, I wouldn't be so highly positive about Putin.

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If the Russian Federation is merely just better than the Soviet Union, I wouldn't be so highly positive about Putin.

Corruption being widespread in Russia isn't the fault of Putin. Russia was mired in corruption and organized crime in the 1990's. Putin has made Russia a global great power again and the average Russian is far better off today than in the 1990's. Putin supports the Russian Orthodox Church, tolerates monarchism, opposes gay marriage, has reunified Crimea with Russia, supported the referendum on Kurdish independence from Iraq in 2017 and wants Assad to make Kurdish an official language of Syria.
I want Russia to become a democracy after the death of Putin, and young Russians are increasingly opposed to corruption. Russia ought to emulate the Spanish transition to democracy after the death of Putin. 
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Corruption being widespread in Russia isn't the fault of Putin. Russia was mired in corruption and organized crime in the 1990's. Putin has made Russia a global great power again and the average Russian is far better off today than in the 1990's. Putin supports the Russian Orthodox Church, tolerates monarchism, opposes gay marriage, has reunified Crimea with Russia, supported the referendum on Kurdish independence from Iraq in 2017 and wants Assad to make Kurdish an official language of Syria.
I want Russia to become a democracy after the death of Putin, and young Russians are increasingly opposed to corruption. Russia ought to emulate the Spanish transition to democracy after the death of Putin. 


And here we're back at the start. I don't see the point in this conversation anymore since it's just continuous misunderstanding on both of our parts. We don't seem to be able to get on the same frequency. But hey, at least we tried.

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