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Baron the Queenship of Elisabeth is Fundamental and Unites all Countries that she is Queen and the Commonwealth! The Defender of the Faith applies to the Anglican Church that she is Head and has nothing to do with Her Majesty being Queen of many Counties.We are Monarchists here defending the Principle of Monarchy above all else as uniting Peoples and Nations.  Defender of the Faith was given to Henry VIII by the Pope for Defending the true Catholic Faith against the Heresy of Lutheranism.it was kept with Elisabeth I but the meaning changed to the Anglicanism and now the meaning has changed again.Although the Queen is the Governor of the Church of England the Defender of the Faith has changed in our times in meaning for those who are intelligent to know what is happening. It should be kept! I never said it should change but we should give it a new meaning if it is to unite the Countries she is Queen or as Head of the Commonwealth.And its meaning has changed for the Queen or Prince Charles is not just polite but they are intelligent people to understand that all Religions are in reality different paths but all have the same fundamental belief in God and general Moral Principles.So Defender of the Faith now means  Defender of the Faith in the Supernatural,Faith in Divinity in God or in a Supreme Universal Principle Creator of all things visible and invisible. The rest everyone and can have his own particular beliefs and practices or particular Religious Tradition.But if you insist to mean the Anglican Faith then that Title should be kept by the Anglicans but we do not have to mention it for us all who have different Faiths.The Monarchist Part of Elisabeth, Her Queenship is enough!We must emphasize Monarchy and forget about anything else to be true and pure Monarchists! Or else we are going to start another Religious War sponsored by the Kings of the World and then it will be sure the end of Monarchy Principle and of Monarchs for good! Republicanism is going to triumph!
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all Religions are in reality different paths but all have the same fundamental belief in God and general Moral Principles.


That sounds nice, but it just isn't true.  Either God is a Trinity or He is not.  I'd say that's pretty "fundamental."  Either all sexual activity other than that between a married man and woman is sinful, or it is not.  Different religions teach very different beliefs about God and very different moral principles.

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We must emphasize Monarchy and forget about anything else to be true and pure Monarchists!


Part of me is inclined to sympathize with this desire of yours.  I get frustrated, for example, with ultra-sectarian Roman Catholics who call themselves monarchists but have no use for any monarchy that's not Catholic.  But your "true and pure monarchist" approach will never work.  For most monarchists, monarchism will always be part of a complex web of loyalties that also includes Religion, Nation, Ethnicity, Family, etc., with Faith ultimately being paramount.  If we demand that people "forget about anything else" in order to be considered good monarchists, we will end up with fewer monarchists than if we accept that most drawn to our cause will always be, in the words of St. Thomas More, "the King's good servant, but God's first."  And for orthodox believers, loyalty to God, who is not just some vaguely benevolent Creator genuinely worshiped by all faiths, but the God as revealed by their particular religion, excludes the kind of pluralist theology you advocate.
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I will give George7 this much:

Defender of the Faith (The 'reformed, protestant, catholic faith') doesn't mean 'attacker of other faiths'.  One need not burn Romans at the stake anymore, in that sense the meaning of Defender of the Faith has changed.

However, HRH The Prince Charles' poor choice of words many years ago does not mean that he (or anyone else with more than 3 functioning brain cells) considers all faiths to be one and the same.




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God and King,in that order!,i am Roman Catholic but i respect all of Christianity
(Charles I,King and Martyr also did this,see Signature) also Muslims,Jews,Buddhisms,Shintoists and Zoroastranists

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Royalcello I am surprised at your reaction! I thought you would defend Monarchy above all! I thought you would agree with me.And I thought that your Monarchy Forum is Monarchy First and Religion Second.You know Monarchy is First and Foremost!The Monarch chose what Religion to follow and then his subjects follow.That happened with Constantine the Great and his successors who adopted Christianity and imposed it on the Roman Empire.In Russia Prince Vladimir adopted Byzantine Christianity and imposed it on his  subjects.The German Princes adopted Lutheranism and imposed it on their subjects.Henry VIII and Elisabeth II did the same.So the Monarch is above All and over All and in All! Religion depends on Him or Her.I speak from the standpoint of History.What History teaches, at least one side of History.But you can prove the opposite from History also. In reality all change came by whoever is at the Top and has Authority and Power to make changes  and impose it on peoples and Nations.Something can originate from someone or some people that are not in Power but the Powers that be must accept it and impose it on all their subjects.That is why I say that Monarchy is above Religion and above Custom  and so on. Peter the Great imposed on his People the Custom of shaved beards and changed the manner men and women were dressed and brought women out of seclusion and abolished the Patriarchate and created the Holy Synod. So History teaches us that Monarchy is above All!.Long live Monarchy! The Priests of Religion  and the uneducated masses of people must listen and obey the Enlightened Absolute Monarch. Constantine the Great again called the 1st Ecumenical Council and ordered the Priests to come together and decide finally for the good and Peace of the Empire! Long live Absolute and unhindered MONARCHY! This is my point of view but you can present another point of view.I have no objections.We are here to discuss different views and not to fight or argue for the sake of argument .
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I also think the Monarch is above the established Church
He shouldnt be a Pawn of the Church nor a Caged Bird of the Nobles,i mean

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'I see no reason that we should celebrate men who were traitors to their God and their King.'
-Jovan-Marya Weismiller

"I don't give a damn if you belittle republican democracy, profit at expense of the nation, or deceive the people. But i wont allow you to soil the Kaiser's dignity with your filthy, feces filled tongue.
I've neither served nor rebelled against a Kaiser who would be insulted by the likes of you!."
-Oskar von Reuental
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Royalcello I am surprised at your reaction! I thought you would defend Monarchy above all! I thought you would agree with me.And I thought that your Monarchy Forum is Monarchy First and Religion Second.You know Monarchy is First and Foremost!


As I said, personally I do sort of agree with you.  I'm just dealing with the reality that most people do not.  After all, I'm not even formally affiliated with any particular religion myself...how could I claim to put religion first?  Yes, this is a Monarchy forum, not a Religion forum, but I try to respect the religious beliefs of all its members, some of which do not allow for unqualified obedience to the monarch in religious matters.

To be honest, in my current mindset, I feel that if I had lived in England in the 16th century, I probably would have been a Catholic before 1534, an Anglican in 1534, a Catholic in 1553, and an Anglican in 1558.   (Such flexibility did not save Thomas Cranmer, but that was mainly due to Queen Mary's resentment of his role in her parents' divorce.  Hopefully as a humble court musician I could have stayed out of such things...)  But I respect the fact that monarchists with more principled commitments to either Catholicism or Protestantism may not be able to feel the same way.
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Some of us who consider themselves to be 'principled' would have been able to obey the Law of the Land, and do the 'denominational flip-flop' as well.

Neither church denies the divinity of Christ (the Trinity), our need for His Grace (our Sinful state), nor His birth, death, and resurrection (The 'Gospel').   I have felt the power of the Spirit of God in worship services of many 'denominations'.  There are many 'administrations' of the One Spirit.

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My new avatar is a photograph of His Late Majesty Emperor (in exile) Amha Selassie I (also known as exiled Crown Prince Asfaw Wossen) of Ethiopia.  Made Crown Prince of Ethiopia and Merid Azmatch of Wollo in 1930 upon the coronation of his parents, the Prince was married to Princess Wolete Israel Seyoum (great -granddaughter of Emperor Yohannes IV) and had a daughter, Princess Ijigayehu.  Prince Asfaw Wossen would have 6 grandchildren by Princess Ijigayehu.  Upon the Italian invasion in 1936 he went into exile in Britain with his family, and attended Liverpool University.  The Crown Prince and Princess were divorced in 1941 shortly before the restoration, and the Prince then married Princess (Empress) Medferiashwork Abebe with whom he had three daughters (Princesses Mariam Senna, Sefrash and Sehin) and a son, Prince Zera Yacob.  During an abortive coup by the Imperial guard in 1960 while Emperor Haile Selassie was on a state visit to Brazil, the Prince was forced to accept their proclamation of him as the new monarch, but the coup collapsed and the Emperor returned.  The Crown Prince suffered a massive stroke in 1973 and was in Geneva receiving treatment when the military toppled his father in September 1974 and again proclaimed him monarch with the title of "King" instead of "Emperor".  This time he issued a statement refusing to recognize the overthrow of his father and went into exile in Britain for the second time.  He was proclaimed "Emperor in Exile" in April 1989, in London, and then moved to the Virginia suburbs of Washington D.C. later that year.  He died in February 1997 and became the first member of the Imperial family to be buried in the Imperial Family Crypt in Addis Ababa's Holy Trinity Cathedral since the revolution.  His coffin was covered by the Imperial Standard, and his body escorded by old Imperial guards in uniform while thousands of wailing people thronged the streets and packed the Cathedral.  It was a show of the monarchy's continued prestiege in Ethiopia, and greatly alarmed the post-communist anti-monarchist authorities.  He would have made good Emperor had he been allowed to reign as was his right.


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My New avatar is the Flag of the Kingdom of Gondor,Long Live King Elessar!

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'I see no reason that we should celebrate men who were traitors to their God and their King.'
-Jovan-Marya Weismiller

"I don't give a damn if you belittle republican democracy, profit at expense of the nation, or deceive the people. But i wont allow you to soil the Kaiser's dignity with your filthy, feces filled tongue.
I've neither served nor rebelled against a Kaiser who would be insulted by the likes of you!."
-Oskar von Reuental


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He lived to be 210, will that do?  Actually you haven't strictly got the flag of Gondor, that was the White Tree alone:

"...behold! upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but Seven Stars were about it, and a high crown above it, the signs of Elendil that no lord had borne for years beyond count."
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I change Avatar a lot,specially when i found a new one quickly,my new avatar is Prince Phillip,the best Disney Prince

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"If the king doesn't move, then his subjects won't follow."
-Lelouch vi Britannia

'I see no reason that we should celebrate men who were traitors to their God and their King.'
-Jovan-Marya Weismiller

"I don't give a damn if you belittle republican democracy, profit at expense of the nation, or deceive the people. But i wont allow you to soil the Kaiser's dignity with your filthy, feces filled tongue.
I've neither served nor rebelled against a Kaiser who would be insulted by the likes of you!."
-Oskar von Reuental
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My latest avatar is a photograph of some of the Crown Jewels of Ethiopia.  From left to right are the crown of Her Imperial Majesty Empress Menen, the Orb of Emperor Haile Selassie, and the Crown of His Imperial Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.  The Crown Jewels are kept in the Jubilee Palace in Addis Ababa, (now called the National Palace).  The mural in the background depicts scenes from Ethiopia's royal history.


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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)


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My new avatar is something I designed for my blog using Paint.  It's otherwise pretty much self-explanatory.

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My new avatar is the Imperial Standard of the Empire of Gloucosaria, which I created on http://www.nationstates.net .  You can see the flag of Gloucosaria which includes the crowned dragon on the Imperial Standard in addition to five red crosses.


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The Lion of Judah hath prevailed.

Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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