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It is also against the rules, as far as am aware, to argue for such a thing, but nothing can impinge on Azadi's solipsistic mantras.
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brussels as part of flanders makes sense, but flanders as a republic NO NO NO it should either stay a part of the kingdom of belgium, or unite with the kingdom of netherlands. this is high treason to promote republicanism on this forum. i definitely think royalcello would feel like throwing up if he saw this. 

I don't want Flanders to become a republic. I don't support partition of Belgium, unless the EU becomes a federation. Belgium has been a united and distinct region since the partition of the Netherlands in 1609 and the Flemings and the Walloons share a lot of cultural heritage, despite speaking different languages. 
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I have changed my mind on Belgium and Italy. Brussels ought to become part of Flanders, because Brussels is historically part of Flanders. Wallonia ought to keep the name Belgium, because the Germans of Eupen and Sankt Vith prefer being Belgians to being Walloons. Flanders shall be a republic and rump Belgium shall be a kingdom. 
I have proposed dividing mainland Italy into three states, because Lega Nord once proposed dividing mainland Italy into three macroregions (Padania, Etruria and South Italy). I have changed my mind on Italy, because Venetian regionalism is very strong. Veneto ought to become an independent member state of a federal EU.



If you wish, you could use Mezzogiorno as a synonym for South Italy.

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South Schleswig.


in that case i regard you as living in denmark, and even the same part as denmark, as i. jutland. and if you think spain has a rightful claim to gibraltar, our claim to south slesvig should be even better, as it has only been prussian from 1864 and only german from 1871. taken more recently than gibraltar by greedy prussian leaders who already got for free holstein which they had no right to, as the king of prussia definitely wasnt the legitime duke of holstein. i dont claim that the king of denmark was either, but he definitely had a better claim than king william i of prussia. 
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in that case i regard you as living in denmark, and even the same part as denmark, as i. jutland. and if you think spain has a rightful claim to gibraltar, our claim to south slesvig should be even better, as it has only been prussian from 1864 and only german from 1871. taken more recently than gibraltar by greedy prussian leaders who already got for free holstein which they had no right to, as the king of prussia definitely wasnt the legitime duke of holstein. i dont claim that the king of denmark was either, but he definitely had a better claim than king william i of prussia. 

Schleswig wasn't part of Denmark. It was an independent state in personal union with Denmark. Prussia indeed stole Schleswig from its rightful duke in 1864. South Schleswig ought to become an autonomous region of Denmark, if South Schleswig rejoins Denmark, and German ought to remain an official language of South Schleswig, if South Schleswig rejoins Denmark. German was an official language of Schleswig before 1864.
North Schleswig, which currently is part of Denmark, isn't an autonomous region. North Schleswig ought to become an autonomous region of Denmark. The Danish monarch ought to reassume the title of Duke of Schleswig. The title of Duke of Schleswig was removed from the title of the Danish monarch in 1972, despite North Schleswig remaining part of Denmark.
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As a matter of public information, Slesvig was never an independent state. It was always a Danish fief and therefore was indeed part of Denmark.
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in that case i regard you as living in denmark, and even the same part as denmark, as i. jutland. and if you think spain has a rightful claim to gibraltar, our claim to south slesvig should be even better, as it has only been prussian from 1864 and only german from 1871. taken more recently than gibraltar by greedy prussian leaders who already got for free holstein which they had no right to, as the king of prussia definitely wasnt the legitime duke of holstein. i dont claim that the king of denmark was either, but he definitely had a better claim than king william i of prussia. 


I believe that you're right about that. I believe that the legitimate Duke of Holstein, which was within the Holy Roman Empire, was the Duke of Augustenborg, who was dispossessed by Prussia. I think that his was the senior line of Oldenburg after the old Danish  royal line died out. Although the Augustenborg agnatic line also  became extinct in the 1930s. I think that the current heirs are the present-day titular Dukes of Schleswig-Holstein of the Glucksburg line.

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Schleswig wasn't part of Denmark. It was an independent state in personal union with Denmark. Prussia indeed stole Schleswig from its rightful duke in 1864. South Schleswig ought to become an autonomous region of Denmark, if South Schleswig rejoins Denmark, and German ought to remain an official language of South Schleswig, if South Schleswig rejoins Denmark. German was an official language of Schleswig before 1864.
North Schleswig, which currently is part of Denmark, isn't an autonomous region. North Schleswig ought to become an autonomous region of Denmark. The Danish monarch ought to reassume the title of Duke of Schleswig. The title of Duke of Schleswig was removed from the title of the Danish monarch in 1972, despite North Schleswig remaining part of Denmark.

that might be a compromise. all slesvig united could become an autonomous part of denmark with danish as official language and german and low german as protected minority languages. i think low german would need a place where it is protected and encouraged. the high german language does not historically belong to slesvig. 

about the title duke of slesvig, i have read that it was omitted when our present queen began her reign, as the title was not inherible to women. just like the titles of king of the goths and vends which were also omitted. but unlike the coats of arms of these two titles, the coat of arms of slesvig has been kept in the queens coat of arms. i wonder if the titles will come back, when king frederick x. takes the throne...
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