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The translation is that Azadi supports restoring Iranic and Slavic monarchies. He couldn't care less about the rest of them. In which case, it would be nice if he posted less on them too.

PS to Wessexman: my feelings about Kurdistan started as benign indifference, but are tending more and more towards active loathing.
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The translation is that Azadi supports restoring Iranic and Slavic monarchies. He couldn't care less about the rest of them. In which case, it would be nice if he posted less on them too.

PS to Wessexman: my feelings about Kurdistan started as benign indifference, but are tending more and more towards active loathing.

The lack of current Iranic and Slavic monarchies is very sad. There is fortunately no lack of current Western monarchies. I don't care about restoring the German monarchy, despite being a German citizen, because Liechtenstein remains a monarchy. 
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I will support restoration of the French monarchy, if a descendant of an illegitimate child of Napoleon will claim the French throne. I don't support the current Bonapartist claimant to the French throne becoming Emperor of the French, but I prefer Jean-Christophe Bonaparte becoming Emperor of France to a Capetian becoming King of France.
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I will support restoration of the French monarchy, if a descendant of an illegitimate child of Napoleon will claim the French throne. I don't support the current Bonapartist claimant to the French throne becoming Emperor of the French, but I prefer Jean-Christophe Bonaparte becoming Emperor of France to a Capetian becoming King of France.

Your favourite candidate would be an illegitimate one?

What basis would they have for claiming the throne?


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Your favourite candidate would be an illegitimate one?

What basis would they have for claiming the throne?


Being a descendant of Napoleon, unlike Jean-Christophe Bonaparte and the Capetians. I'm not opposed to France remaining a republic, because no descendant of Napoleon claims the French throne. I would have been opposed to France remaining a republic, if a descendant of Napoleon had been a claimant to the French throne. I will accept Jean-Christophe Bonaparte being elected Emperor of the French, because he is a relative of Napoleon. I will NOT accept a Capetian being elected King of France.
Do you support the claim of Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia to the Italian throne?
Do you support the claim of Maria Vladimirovna to the Russian throne, or are you a Sobornik (a supporter of the right of the Federal Assembly of Russia to choose a new Tsar, if the Russian monarchy is restored)? I'm a Sobornik. 

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I joined this forum in order to support restoration of Satem monarchies. I support keeping the current Centum monarchies, but I don't care about restoring Centum monarchies.

Of all the absurd positions you've enumerated on this forum, deciding whether monarchies ought to be restored or not based on obscure linguistic categories is possibly the most bizarre of them all, which is really saying something.

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Of all the absurd positions you've enumerated on this forum, deciding whether monarchies ought to be restored or not based on obscure linguistic categories is possibly the most bizarre of them all, which is really saying something.

The Satem languages are the Indo-Iranic and Balto-Slavic languages. No current Iranic and Slavic monarchies exists. The Centum languages are the Germanic languages, the Romance languages, the Celtic languages and the Greek language. A lot of Germanic and Romance monarchies currently exists. I haven't claimed that the German, Austrian, Italian, Portuguese and Greek monarchies don't deserve to be restored. But restoring those monarchies is far less important to me than restoring the Russian and Iranian monarchies. I don't care about restoring the German monarchy, despite being a German citizen, because Liechtenstein remains a monarchy.

  


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The Satem languages are the Indo-Iranic and Balto-Slavic languages. No current Iranic and Slavic monarchies exists. The Centum languages are the Germanic languages, the Romance languages, the Celtic languages and the Greek language. A lot of Germanic and Romance monarchies currently exists. I haven't claimed that the German, Austrian, Italian, Portuguese and Greek monarchies don't deserve to be restored. But restoring those monarchies is far less important to me than restoring the Russian and Iranian monarchies. I don't care about restoring the German monarchy, despite being a German citizen, because Liechtenstein remains a monarchy.



with your logic it would also be a priority to restore a uralic language monarchy, so hungary finland or estonia,  also the albanian, greek armenian and georgian monarchies to mention some. then we also need a turkic monarchy.

i support all monarchies to be restored

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with your logic it would also be a priority to restore a uralic language monarchy, so hungary finland or estonia,  also the albanian, greek armenian and georgian monarchies to mention some. then we also need a turkic monarchy.

i support all monarchies to be restored

I'm a staunch supporter of restoring Eastern Christian monarchies, even if they are neither Iranic or Slavic. As a Kurd, an Eastern Christian and a Russophile, restoring Iranic, Slavic and Eastern Christian monarchies is very important to me. The Greek and Georgian monarchies were Orthodox Christian monarchies, and the Georgian monarchy being restored is quite likely to happen, because the Patriarch of the Georgian Orthodox Church is a staunch supporter of restoration of the Georgian monarchy.
I want the Turkish monarchy to be restored, because the Osmanoglus are my favourite ancient Muslim royal dynasty.
I support amending the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany in order to allow the Länder of Germany to restore their monarchies. Banning the Länder from restoring their monarchies is wrong. I'm opposed to German monarchists pursuing a Hohenzollern restoration, because the republicans may be more willing to allow the Länder to restore their monarchies, if the German monarchists don't try to restore the monarchy at the federal level.
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New list of claimants to the vacant thrones of Europe:
Russia: The Romanovs
Germany: Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia
Austria: Archduke Karl von Habsburg
Hungary: Archduke Georg von Habsburg
France: Jean-Christophe Bonaparte, Prince Napoleon
Italy: The Savoias
Portugal: Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza
Ireland: Franz, Duke of Bavaria
Romania: Crown Princess Margareta
Serbia: Crown Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic
Montenegro: Crown Prince Nikola Petrovic-Njegosh
Greece: King Constantine
Bulgaria: Tsar Simeon
Albania: Crown Prince Leka II Zogu

I have removed the Savoia claim to the Croatian throne from my list, because Aimone Tomislav never lived in Croatia.
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France: Jean Carl Pierre Marie d’Orléans.

Vive Le Roi!
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France: Jean Carl Pierre Marie d’Orléans.

Vive Le Roi!

I prefer the French Revolution to the Russian Revolution and the Iranian Islamic Revolution. The French Revolution abolished feudalism and introduced democracy and freedom of religion. I dislike the Reign of Terror, but Napoleon rejected the excesses of the French Revolution, while upholding freedom of religion and the abolition of feudalism. I hate Communism and Islamism, but I don't hate democracy, freedom of religion and equality before the law. I'm a republican, who prefer crowned republics to uncrowned republics. 
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The revolution went from folly to folly, and France has never really recovered. The terror was not an accidental outcome, as Burke noted. He could even predict at the end of 1789 that it would all end in bloodshed and military dictatorship.

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The revolution went from folly to folly, and France has never really recovered. The terror was not an accidental outcome, as Burke noted. He could even predict at the end of 1789 that it would all end in bloodshed and military dictatorship.

I cherish the legacy of the French Revolution of 1789, because it made France a constitutional monarchy, because it granted freedom of religion and because it abolished feudalism. I don't cherish the legacy of the French Revolution of 1792, who abolished the French monarchy and paved the way for the Reign of Terror. France recovered from the Reign of Terror during the rule of Napoleon.
I admire Tsar Aleksandr II, because he abolished serfdom in Russia. A king ought to liberate his subjects from slavery, serfdom and Satanic Mills. I also admire Emperor Pedro II of Brazil, who abolished slavery in Brazil. I prefer nostalgia for the Belle Époque to nostalgia for the Ancien Regime. During the Belle Époque, Europe became increasingly democratic, despite most European countries remaining monarchies. Trade unions and feminist movements grew during the Belle Époque. The car and the telephone were invented during the Belle Époque. A lot of railroads were build during the Belle Époque, including the Trans-Siberian Railway.
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You didn't respond properly to my points at all. Burke was largely right. Whatever lofty ideals some of the revolutionaries may have held, and whatever calm and sensible voices may occasionally have been added to the din, it was nearly from beginning a matter mostly of abstract and idealistic folly at its best. It contrasts markedly with the good sense of the American revolutionaries. The chaos of the later French Revolution was not an accident, and neither, I would say, is the subsequent lack of stability in France unrelated to that revolution.
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