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Russia: The Romanovs
Germany: Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia
Austria: Archduke Karl von Habsburg
Hungary: Archduke Georg von Habsburg
France: Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon
Italy: Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia, Prince of Naples
Portugal: Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza
Romania: Crown Princess Margareta
Serbia: Crown Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic
Montenegro: Crown Prince Nikola Petrovic-Njegosh
Albania: Crown Prince Leka II Zogu
Greece: King Constantine
Bulgaria: Tsar Simeon
Croatia: Amedeo di Savoia, Duke of Aosta
Ireland: Franz, Duke of Bavaria
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Odd for you to use the Bonapartist and "Jacobite" claimants for France and Ireland respectively when both the Anjouist and Orleanist claims are more popular in France and the Windsor claimant is a reigining monarch in the 6 counties.
If you really want to include unconventional claims, surely you should list all the major contendors for each throne, not just one.
Additionally, whilst Georg would probably make a better Hungarian king than Karl, I don't think the family have actually set up a mechanism to divide their claims like this.

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Odd for you to use the Bonapartist and "Jacobite" claimants for France and Ireland respectively when both the Anjouist and Orleanist claims are more popular in France and the Windsor claimant is a reigining monarch in the 6 counties.
If you really want to include unconventional claims, surely you should list all the major contendors for each throne, not just one.
Additionally, whilst Georg would probably make a better Hungarian king than Karl, I don't think the family have actually set up a mechanism to divide their claims like this.

I'm a Bonapartist. I'm opposed to a Capetian restoration in France. A Windsor restoration in Southern Ireland is unacceptable to the vast majority of the Irish Catholics, because Britain has oppressed the Irish Catholics. A Jacobite restoration is sadly unlikely to happen in Southern Ireland, but it's more acceptable to the Irish Catholics than a Windsor restoration.
I expect Georg von Habsburg to be elected King of Hungary, if the Hungarian monarchy is restored, because he lives in Hungary.
The Duke of Aosta is currently trying to usurp the Savoia claim to the Italian throne. The Duke of Aosta ought to abandon his claim to the Italian throne in order to pursue a claim to the Croatian throne. His father was the King of Croatia.
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I'm a Bonapartist. I'm opposed to a Capetian restoration in France. A Windsor restoration in Southern Ireland is unacceptable to the vast majority of the Irish Catholics, because Britain has oppressed the Irish Catholics. A Jacobite restoration is sadly unlikely to happen in Southern Ireland, but it's more acceptable to the Irish Catholics than a Windsor restoration.
I expect Georg von Habsburg to be elected King of Hungary, if the Hungarian monarchy is restored, because he lives in Hungary.
The Duke of Aosta is currently trying to usurp the Savoia claim to the Italian throne. The Duke of Aosta ought to abandon his claim to the Italian throne in order to pursue a claim to the Croatian throne. His father was the King of Croatia.

If you could provide us all here with arguements based off the succession laws of the respective kingdoms and show the pros and cons of each canditate, I would be genuinely interested in what you have to say.
If however this is, as your comment implies, simply another list of opinions, I am not entirely sure of the purpose of this thread.
Whilst I already stated that I think Georg would be a better Hungarian king, you failed to acknowledge the present lack of mechanism to transfer the Hapsburg claim to Hungary away from Karl.
If you can come up with a good solution to this, then I would be a supporter of its future exercise.
Until then, Karl is the best claimant to Hungary.

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I expect Georg von Habsburg to be elected King of Hungary, if the Hungarian monarchy is restored, because he lives in Hungary.

Which you know only because I told you it. It's wonderful to have dealings with an expert on Europe's royal families like you, one learns so much. The present Duke of Aosta's father was never, ever, King of Croatia. The Croatian regime which declared him such was itself entirely illegitimate, and he never set foot in the country or exercised regal power there. The Duke is however by law rightful claimant to the Italian throne, whatever you think about it.
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If you could provide us all here with arguements based off the succession laws of the respective kingdoms and show the pros and cons of each canditate, I would be genuinely interested in what you have to say.
If however this is, as your comment implies, simply another list of opinions, I am not entirely sure of the purpose of this thread.
Whilst I already stated that I think Georg would be a better Hungarian king, you failed to acknowledge the present lack of mechanism to transfer the Hapsburg claim to Hungary away from Karl.
If you can come up with a good solution to this, then I would be a supporter of its future exercise.
Until then, Karl is the best claimant to Hungary.

Most Hungarians want Hungary to remain an independent state and most Irishmen want Ireland to remain an independent state. Restoring the Dual Monarchy is unacceptable to most Hungarians, and Ireland becoming a Commonwealth realm is unacceptable to most Irishmen.
Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia is the son of the last King of Italy and Amedeo di Savoia is a distant relative of the last King of Italy.
I'm a Bonapartist. Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon, is the undisputed Bonapartist claimant to the French throne.
I'm neutral in the dispute between Maria Vladimirovna and the Romanov Family Association.

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Hardly undisputed. Jean-Christophe's father is still alive and seems to consider that he occupies the position. If Vittorio Emanuele were the illegitimate son of Umberto II, would you think the same? No. Yet he would still be a closer relation than the Duke of Aosta is. But he is as barred by law from the succession as if he were in fact illegitimate.
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Hardly undisputed. Jean-Christophe's father is still alive and seems to consider that he occupies the position. If Vittorio Emanuele were the illegitimate son of Umberto II, would you think the same? No. Yet he would still be a closer relation than the Duke of Aosta is. But he is as barred by law from the succession as if he were in fact illegitimate.

King Umberto II never deprived Vittorio Emanuele of the right to succeed to the Italian throne. King Umberto II died in 1983. The Duke of Aosta didn't claim the Italian throne before 2006. The Duke of Aosta claimed the Italian throne, because Vittorio Emanuele was arrested in 2006 on charges of corruption. The Duke of Aosta made a major mistake by claiming the Italian throne in 2006. Vittorio Emanuele may have refrained from abolishing Salic law, if the Duke of Aosta hadn't claimed the Italian throne in 2006.
Maria Vladimirovna has the strongest claim to the Russian throne according to the Pauline laws, but I support the right of the Federal Assembly of Russia to choose a new Tsar from among the descendants of the Romanov dynasty, if the Russian monarchy is restored. I will recognize Maria Vladimirovna as the legitimate Empress of Russia, if she is elected by the Federal Assembly of Russia. Will you accept another Romanov being elected Tsar by the Federal Assembly of Russia?

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You ignore the Jean-Christophe point. Incidentally, when you first arrived you were an Orléans supporter, saying that despite your (misplaced) idolisation of Napoléon you would not support the Bonapartes for France since they were merely his kin, not his descendants. What happened? I have answered the Umberto II point before. He did not have to remove his son from the succession, that had already been done by automatic operation of law. I have also answered the Russian point before. Of course I would. It will be interesting to see how much time passes before I have to answer one or the other point again. Days? Weeks? I hope not hours.
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You ignore the Jean-Christophe point. Incidentally, when you first arrived you were an Orléans supporter, saying that despite your (misplaced) idolisation of Napoléon you would not support the Bonapartes for France since they were merely his kin, not his descendants. What happened? I have answered the Umberto II point before. He did not have to remove his son from the succession, that had already been done by automatic operation of law. I have also answered the Russian point before. Of course I would. It will be interesting to see how much time passes before I have to answer one or the other point again. Days? Weeks? I hope not hours.

I have never supported an Orleans restoration in France. I have merely claimed that supporting the Orleans claim to the French throne makes more sense than supporting the Bonapartist claimant to the French throne, because the Bonapartist claimant to the French throne isn't a descendant of Napoleon. I want France to remain a republic, unless a Walewski claims the French throne.
Most Italian monarchists disagree with you. 8 % of the Italians want Emanuele Filiberto to become King of Italy and 15 % of the Italians are monarchists.
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Ah, but which republic? They're always changing in France. It seems that the fifth one (and lord knows how many constitutions) may well be at breaking point.
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Ah, but which republic? They're always changing in France. It seems that the fifth one (and lord knows how many constitutions) may well be at breaking point.

A Capetian restoration will be a rejection of the legacy of Napoleon. That's why I'm opposed to it.
I would have supported restoration of the French monarchy, if the current Bonapartist claimant to the French throne had been a descendant of Napoleon.
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You mean that Trafalgar Square and Waterloo Station aren't legacy enough for old Boney?
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I joined this forum in order to support restoration of Satem monarchies. I support keeping the current Centum monarchies, but I don't care about restoring Centum monarchies.
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Now you know how we feel about Kurdistan.
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