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The "Palestinians" didnt come along until even later then the Jews reclaiming our home. They were actually the invention of Johan Van Leers, a Nazi who fled from Europe to Egypt after the war and converted to Islam to become a personel aide to Nasser. In 1964 he realized that the Arab cry of "push the Jews into the Sea" wasn't quite the same sell as, we are just trying to get our homeland back, hence he invented the "Palestinians".

 

The British Author and Christian Zionist, Laurence Oliphant recorded in 1873 the majority of the handful of Muslims living in Eretz Yisrael were Bosnian Muslims brought in as colonists by the Ottoman Turks.

 

Here are two of my favorite quotes on the subject of the "palestinians"

 

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

 

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not," Dr. Philip Hitti, an Arab historian representing the Muslim world, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in 1946.

 

If you are so convinced there is a Palestine with a Palestinian people please answer these questions

  • Name one leader of this mythical "Palestine" - who was its president, prime minister or king?
  • Name one nation that had diplomatic relations with "Palestine."
  • What was the currency of "Palestine"?
  • Where was the capital, what years specificaly was it there?

Obviously all these question should be answered with pre-1964 data.

 



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Eretz Yisrael was stolen from the Jewish people by various other nations. But it never stopped being ours. Just because a squatter moves into your house and lives there many years and even has children there, the house is no less yours. Such is the Jewish peoples relationship with Eretz Yisrael, and now is the time to drive the squatters out who call themselves "palestinians"

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If you are so convinced there is a Palestine with a Palestinian people please answer these questions

  • Name one leader of this mythical "Palestine" - who was its president, prime minister or king?
  • Name one nation that had diplomatic relations with "Palestine."
  • What was the currency of "Palestine"?
  • Where was the capital, what years specificaly was it there?

Obviously all these question should be answered with pre-1964 data.

Wow, you must not have read a thing I've said.  Are you really that close to being illiterate?  When did I say that the Palestinians were a distinct people?  I've never claimed this.  All I've said is that there were Arabs living in Palestine before the Zionist scum came and took their land.


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Eretz Yisrael was stolen from the Jewish people by various other nations. But it never stopped being ours.

You're basically taking this from Judaic interpretations of the Torah and Talmudic traditions.  This nonsense means about as much to me, to the people who lived in Palestine, and to the present-day Lebanese as the Just War doctrine means to you.


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The Zionists took their land? Thats rich, it is not theft when the Arabs chose to sell the land to the Jews. What do you think the JNF was and is for, the reclamaition of Eretz Yisrael through the purchase of land. It was the JNF and various wealthy Jews who bought back most of the land that makes up the modern State of Israel, the remiander was won in defensive wars.

 

If you wish to talk about actual theft how about the theft of the Jewish owned parts of Hebron in 1929 by the Arab population with the collusion of the British. That was actual theft, where a group the Jews of Hebron, who happened to have been a 3000 year old community, had their property seized by the Arabs of Hebron after the Jews of the town were massacred. That is theft. When a Arab sells a plot of land and then wants it back that is just too bad.

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(and that is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that I worship, not the black rock moon-god worshipped by Muslims)

 

 

On that zionist charge....case closed. 


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        It is beyond me how easily it is forgotten by men of Christian name that Jews are as much the enemy of the Church and of Christendom as Muslims.  The Holocaust was a deplorable crime of genocide but the Jews/Zionists now wield it as a cudgel to beat anyone that would stand against their political or social goals.  This discussion has made me sick, and perhaps the entire thread should be deleted. 

 

 

 

And no doubt Khanloyalist will continue to assure us that no Arabs were displaced, no civilians were killed or targeted in all of Israel’s perfectly defensive wars, but I will never believe it.  The Arabs have more right to Israel than they, but beyond them I would see it a Catholic kingdom again.  Unrealistic?  Of course!  But Israel does not belong to the Jews, for they have not converted yet. 


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I agree the Holocaust is a Guilt Stick that they wave at our most Holy Popes and Church, its not like we wave a stick at the Jews for killing Jesus, and we get another stick in the balls from the Muslims for the Crusade, but let me remind you the First Crusade only happened because the Orthodox Byzantine Emperor squealed when his was at war with the Turks and demanded us to get involved and kick some heathen ass. I don't see anyone pointing sticks at the Orthodox for that.


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I agree the Holocaust is a Guilt Stick that they wave at our most Holy Popes and Church, its not like we wave a stick at the Jews for killing Jesus, and we get another stick in the balls from the Muslims for the Crusade, but let me remind you the First Crusade only happened because the Orthodox Byzantine Emperor squealed when his was at war with the Turks and demanded us to get involved and kick some heathen ass. I don't see anyone pointing sticks at the Orthodox for that.

 

I fully support those Crusades, against the Islamic invasion. I do not care what modern man and Muslims may think.   I am not, as I have been painted here, sympathetic to militant Islam.  In a war against them we must make sure that we still employ the Church's doctrines regarding combat.    We are not freed from it just because they are infidels.   Also as I would point out Bush is no Godfrey, Blair is no Richard the Lionhearted.  We do not have Catholic nations anymore, so there can be no true Crusade.  We must restore the Catholic state, restore Christendom.  I am neither pro-Muslim nor Pro-Jew. 


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On that zionist charge....case closed. 

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And on the anti-Semitism charge.....case closed.

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I must take exception to the accusation that the Jews killed Jesus.  It is a false accusation on three counts:

1) No one killed Jesus, he laid down his life willingly for my sins, and then took it up again at the resurection.
                 Think about, nobody kills God!

2) It was Roman Soldiers who performed the Crucificition, not the Jews.

3) Jesus was born, lived, and died a Jew having kept the Law perfectly.  If all Jews are tarred with the 'Theocide' brush, you'd have Jesus be guilty of his own murder.

As for the current situation.  There is more than enough blame to go around. 

It should be noted that the 'occupied territories' became occupied after Arabs started wars against Israel, intending to destroy it as a nation.

It should also be noted that the IDF is not an Angelic Band, and has gone beyond the pale on occasion too.

Both sides need to 'back off a turn'. 

A lasting cease-fire will require more than a token blue line.  It will require a force of sufficient strength to re-assure Israel that it need not live in fear of its neighbors coming again in the night to slay her.  It will also require a (in my mind anyway) the establishment of Palestinian Land, not under the control of the existing Arab states in the 'madate lands'. 

It is never easy to unscramble eggs, but arguments about who scrambled them in the first place don't help.  All sides need to accept what IS, and work from there, not some imaginary dream world where things happen 'as they should'.


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 "Also as I would point out Bush is no Godfrey, Blair is no Richard the Lionhearted."

Excellent statement. Indeed Bush seems more like Guy de luisingeun and Blair more like Renald de Chatillan.


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The "palestinians" voted in Hamas by a overwhelming 77%. Hamas has a Nazi ideology and their open goal is the destruction of Israel and the death of first all Jews, then all non-Muslims. They are very open about that, rather then surrender any part of Eretz Yisrael, what Israel should do, and what will be done, is completely crush the "palestinians".

 

The truth about the IDF is they try very hard not to kill civilians. Though there have been times when they killed civilians and when they expelled Arabs. I feel no more guilt over the death of enemy civilians in this war then I do over the more than 1 million German civilians killed by the Allies in WWII, and I feel no more sorrow over expelling my enemies then over the 12 million Germans expelled by the Poles and the Czechs after the war.

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I don't care who wins, I like to see both loose, they both stuff up the stability of the Middle East.


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On that zionist charge....case closed. 

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And on the anti-Semitism charge.....case closed.

1. I'm the one who used the (quite appropriate) phrases "Zionist Beasts" and "Zionist Scum."  So you should direct this at me, not WhiteCockade.

 

2. Zionism is an ideology, not a race.  There are non-Semites who are Zionists (especially "Christian" Zionists) and Semites who are non-Zionists (even anti-Zionists).  Thus, hating Zionists does not make one an anti-Semite.  The fact that I have to explain this to you shows a severe lack of intellect on your part.


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