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Don't worry about me but I thought the Israeli invasion occurred as retaliation for 2 Israeli soldiers being kidnapped by Hezbollah.

And the ensuing violence because of rocket attacks.

 

From my information radical Islamic organizations like Hezbollah are just like Islamic Jihad in Indonesia who bombed Bali. 

 

What have those organizations done for me only tried to kill us. 


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There is some debate as to whether the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Israel or were capture in Lebanon while making a raid on Lebanon.  See:

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

 

   There is also strong evidence to show that this attack was planned against Lebanon well in advance and had nothing really to do with it.   Considering the worse case, that six were killed and two were kidnapped in Israel, the reply to this event has been disproportionate. It has also included the indiscriminate bombing of civilians, the targeting of civilian infrastructure and the use of white phosphorous, a chemical weapon, which burns rapidly and intensely when exposed to oxygen.

 

As the Jewish author wrote in the link I provided:  Israel is causing electricity blackouts, laying sieges, bombing and shelling, assassinating and imprisoning, killing and wounding civilians, including children and babies, in horrifying numbers, but 'they started.'…We are allowed to bomb anything we want and they are not allowed to launch Qassams. When they fire a Qassam at Ashkelon, that's an 'escalation of the conflict,' and when we bomb a university and a school, it's perfectly alright. Why? Because they started. That's why the majority thinks that all the justice is on our side. Like in a schoolyard fight, the argument about who started is Israel's winning moral argument to justify every injustice.”

 

I am not pro-Muslim terrorist.  War crimes are war crimes whether it is done by Muslims, Jews or Christians.   


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There is some debate as to whether the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Israel or were capture in Lebanon while making a raid on Lebanon.  See:

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

Yes, and sources like that are the only place is the debate is going on, where it is always Israel's fault and the Muslims are never to blame for anything.

 

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There is also strong evidence to show that this attack was planned against Lebanon well in advance and had nothing really to do with it.   Considering the worse case, that six were killed and two were kidnapped in Israel, the reply to this event has been disproportionate.

Someone hits you, you usually hit them back harder -I know I would. Israel has tried restraint and concessions, they gave up Gaza, they gave up the Golan Heights, they offered the PLO everything they wanted and it has gotten them nothing but defiance and more terrorist attacks. When every single neighboring Arab nation ganged together and attacked Israel for simply existing -was that a proportionate response?

 

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It has also included the indiscriminate bombing of civilians, the targeting of civilian infrastructure and the use of white phosphorous, a chemical weapon, which burns rapidly and intensely when exposed to oxygen.

That has not been proven and Israel does not target civilians, but when Hezbollah uses them as human shields they will get killed.

 

That link with the JEWISH author you so wish to emphasize reminds me of another article I read just this morning, how every time Israel takes action against the Muslims the liberal self-hating Jews start coming out of the woodwork. It doesn't surprise me at all though, the United States certainly has more than its fair share of the "it's always our fault" crowd who would prefer we all lay down and die rather than kill a Muslim fanatic or the people they hide behind.

 

Iran is behind Hezbollah, and Iran is thick as thieves in the weapons trade with China and North Korea and will take any advantage they can get to knock us off and anyone remotely like us. I have always admired Israel for not pussy-footing around when it comes to defense like so many western countries do. Reminds me of how Moshe Dayan advised winning the Vietnam war. They do whatever it takes and don't mind all the anti-war, you're a baby killer, poor pitiful Muslims crowd.

 

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I am not pro-Muslim terrorist.  War crimes are war crimes whether it is done by Muslims, Jews or Christians.

And yet you don't seem interested in the "crimes" of anyone but Israel. It was not the Israelis who hijacked our planes, bombed our buildings, killed hundreds of US Marines -it was Hezbollah. In a fight between Israel and Hezbollah, you bet I'm for Israel, I hope they wipe Hezbollah off the planet. There is no dealing with these people, no negotiating -it's a fight to the death and that is the way THEY want it whether we do or not. The sooner everyone in the west wakes up and realizes that the better off we all will be.   

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Once again Islamists have committed horrendous war crimes through their acts of terrorism. I have never once defended their tactics.  I also have said that a defensive war with in just limits was the correct response to these crimes. All we hear is about the war crimes of Muslims.  I am the one here giving another perspective!    I too have read and laughed at the claim of the “anti-Semitic” Jews.  You can, like all of the other Neo-Cons, attack everyone else as a liberal if you would like.  While I do not agree with all of the opinions of Antiwar.com they have authors from every perspective, but from the Neo-Con war party of course.     If you wish to peddle War party propaganda that is fine, but I have no interest to go behind you and clean up the mess.   Carpet bombing Arab towns with white phosphorus and (some what) depleted uranium warheads does not make us Crusaders.   You can claim all you like that you only desire to add perspective, but I for one am not buying it.   You have set aside the just war doctrine for the Bush doctrine. 


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I can't be bothered to read through everything that has been written but, for the record, I wholly oppose what Israel is doing in the Lebanon. So much so that my avatar on the other forum on which I post has been changed to a Lebanese cedar flag.

 

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Oh yes, I am such a "neo-con"

 

And Israel carpet bombs poor innocent people, burns them alive and eats their babies for breakfast. . . . those horrible Jews have always been the bad guys

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lol some sarcasm there?

 

Yeah Jews and Christians are the evil people #cough BS#

 

 


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The poor religion of peace is under attack by the blood thirsty jews and christians.

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I can't be bothered to read through everything that has been written but, for the record, I wholly oppose what Israel is doing in the Lebanon. So much so that my avatar on the other forum on which I post has been changed to a Lebanese cedar flag.

 

B.E.

 

I couldn't agree more.  I really don't care who started it or what precipitated the violence, I firmly believe that the state of Israel has been terribly negligent in bombing civilian areas.  I expect that sort of behavior from terrorist groups, but not from civilized nation states.  I fear that since the U.S. goes along with just about anything Israel does, we will be dragged into this war sooner or later.


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Israel does not kill civilians, Israel even puts her own soldiers at risk to avoid casualties among the enemy civilians. When the Monarchists of Israel take over that nonsense will stop. The Torah sets down the rules of Jewish war and they will be followed.

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Israel does not kill civilians, Israel even puts her own soldiers at risk to avoid casualties among the enemy civilians. When the Monarchists of Israel take over that nonsense will stop. The Torah sets down the rules of Jewish war and they will be followed.

 

Than how do you account for the dead Lebanese civilians?  Are the reported 600 dead (many of them civilians) just made up by the Lebanese government to make Israel look bad?


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Israel does not kill civilians, Israel even puts her own soldiers at risk to avoid casualties among the enemy civilians. When the Monarchists of Israel take over that nonsense will stop. The Torah sets down the rules of Jewish war and they will be followed.

Enemy civilians?  Innocent Palestinians who lived in the region before the Zionist beasts came along, and now the Lebanese, are "enemies"?  Is this what you're telling us?  If not them, who are these "enemy civilians"?


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Innocent Palestinians who lived in the region before the Zionist beasts came along,

 

Well I think that speaks volumes for itself. I will make one correction about your "innocent" hijacking, suicide-bombing Palestinians; there really are no such people. They are Syrians and they always have been Syrians and they have their own Muslim homeland in Syria. They didn't start calling themselves Palestinians until the Jews showed up to establish their own country -before which time no Muslim in the Middle East cared all that much about it.

 

But then, who among us has not seen Jewish people dancing in the streets when Muslims are killed, or seen video of Jews holding the severed heads of Arabs up for the cameras, and who could forget all the times Jews have strapped on a bomb and blew themselves up just to take out a few Palestinians, or the times Jews hijacked planes or flew them into buildings and then came out with their children to celebrate it? What a bunch of "Zionist beasts!" Oh, hold on a sec, I think reality is starting to come back to me. . . .

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Well I think that speaks volumes for itself.

 

I can say a lot with a few words.  It's a rare gift.

 

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I will make one correction about your "innocent" hijacking, suicide-bombing Palestinians; there really are no such people. They are Syrians and they always have been Syrians and they have their own Muslim homeland in Syria.

 

Honestly, I don't care what you call them.  The fact remains that they lived in Palestine, but then the Zionist beasts came along and took their land.  I'm not interested in arguing semantics.

 

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They didn't start calling themselves Palestinians until the Jews showed up to establish their own country -before which time no Muslim in the Middle East cared all that much about it.

 

Again, you're getting into semantics.  In any event, I can imagine they didn't "care all that much about it" before in the same way as Americans don't "care all that much" about New York.  I imagine we would care about it, however, if it was taken over by a group of occupiers.

 

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What a bunch of "Zionist beasts!"

 

I knew you'd eventually see it my way. 


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(and that is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that I worship, not the black rock moon-god worshipped by Muslims)

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