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The survivors will have no choice but to assimilate to the Mexican culture to their south and the Acadien and general Louisianais culture to their east and north.  I am speaking in terms of future events that I envision unfolding in due course, but one thing is certain :  In the future, English will scarcely be spoken in that place.


The assumption here is that Anglos in Texas will stay "politically correct" to the bitter end.  

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English is the 'native language' for most by the third generation among  those of Mexican Descent.  I just don't see English 'disappearing'. 



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It seems quite clear to me that the big cities will fall to utter ruin


I can't totally dismiss your prediction, because I've seen these photos of Detroit, which you might find of interest:
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089_1850973,00.html
http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2009/07/feral-houses.html
http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2010/06/more-feral-houses.html



Heh, better yet, I went to school in Michigan for two years and have been to Detroit many times, and have driven through its neighbourhoods.  The case of Détroit de Pontchartrain is a sign of great hope for the future of North America, proving that the WASP work ethic, worship of the false gods of progress and money, and an arrogant swagger are unfit for the accomplishment of great enterprises (since anything truly great will stand the test of time).  No, one must align himself and his own with the natural order first; one cannot buy or muscle an alternative to the natural order, as the case of the US will prove to future generations of the world.

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The survivors will have no choice but to assimilate to the Mexican culture to their south and the Acadien and general Louisianais culture to their east and north.  I am speaking in terms of future events that I envision unfolding in due course, but one thing is certain :  In the future, English will scarcely be spoken in that place.


The assumption here is that Anglos in Texas will stay "politically correct" to the bitter end.  


No, it is that they will be defeated by nature and their neighbours and have no choice.  They have built their house on sand -- unsustainably big cities that are vulnerable to epidemics and starvation as soon as the first weeks-long breakdown of interstate and cooling infrastructure, unsustainably big farming practices that destroy the land and animals and prevent small lots of self-sufficient and interdependent communities, unsustainably big portions of fat that give Texans and the rest of les Américains in the South incredibly high rates of obesity and heart disease, unsustainable sexual perversity that destroys the natural bonds of strong families with many children that are required to whether these future crises and rebuild, and unsustainable faith in their brave new money-grubbing WASP dystopia that makes it so that they do nothing to learn what a real society is and change their ways.  A fittingly pathetic state for the descendants of the Texas Ranger thugs that cleared the place of its former inhabitants and their nobler cultures.

I am not saying that everybody is like this, of course, only an amount that is sufficient.  Similar conditions prevail throughout most of the territory occupied by the US government and its decadent citizenry, which will be scattered and uprooted by the way of things.

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I'd get back on the tablets if I were you, CT.
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Really Peter, that was uncalled for.  I strongly disagree with many of CTEQR's more provocative opinions, but insinuating that one's ideological opponents are mentally ill has a distinctly Soviet whiff about it.
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That said, as a staunch sympathizer of the striking Detroit Symphony musicians, I find the suggestion that the tragic decline of Detroit is anything to celebrate offensive.  Detroit at its best showcased the finest of Western culture--it was not all about capitalism and certainly not all about WASPs.  One of America's finest Catholic parishes, Assumption Grotto, has had a long association with the Detroit Symphony and classical music in general.  (Its pastor, Fr Eduard Perrone, is a trained musician who recently conducted the DSO musicians in one of their strike benefit performances and eloquently explained his support for them in his parish newsletter.  If only the Roman Catholic Church had more such priests!)  But of course it's not clear that CTEQR approves of any Western culture after Gregorian Chant, no matter how Catholic it is...
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CT's remark about sexual perversion was as uncalled for. Without that, I would have just shrugged at his post.
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Odd that he accuses Anglos of 'big city-ism' what with Mexico City being what it is, and all......

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"Anglos" are hardly the only urbanized culture, and they are not the invetors of it.


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We actually sorta invented the 'return to small lots' with Suburbia....Not enough to live on completely, but the average yard would make for a decent garden....

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I just joined this site because I wanted to reply to this thread. 

Full disclosure: Roman Catholic, Anglican Use, Secessionist, Monarchist

I believe that an independent Texas monarchy is not possible, but I very much wish it was. I think that it would be a very good system for Texas, but the substantial Mexican population. the Anglo-American and Afro-American populations, as well as the assimilated Irish, German, Czech, and Polish settlers here have republicanism ingrained in their heart. Many fled to Texas from the Kaiser. 
Let us consider the secessionist movement in Texas. Right now it is highly unsophisticated, composed mostly of fundamentalist Protestant libertarians, some with a heavy strain of Christian Identity movement. This is incredibly unrepresentative of the Texas population. The first step would be to calm down the statements of the Texas secessionists and advance a complex social and cultural vision for the state that includes the Hispanic heritage as part of its assumption, as well as its Slavic, Germanic, and Celtic roots. We would need to launch a critique against the doctrine of "multiculturalism" and instead offer a model of "Autochthonous Ethnogenesis" that is, the strains of peoples in the State right now should be loyal to the emergent ethnonation. It would be good to introduce educational reforms requiring a bilingual education for Texans of Hispanic descent and Texans of Euro-Christian descent in English and Spanish, with an additional option of German, Czech, Polish, and Latin & Greek. Texas should ignore or counter-act reforms of the United States and halt much of the deportation process. All of this should be coupled with State-wide programs demonstrating to both urban and rural Texans the uniqueness of their culture. State-sponsored high-quality public radio & public television stations would emphasize Texan art, material culture, music, and cuisine, and downplay or openly fight against corporate culture, suburban consumerism, and foster a sense of State-wide Texas pride, not only in one type of heritage but a pride in the heritage of Texas as a whole. People will be forced to realize that the corporate consumerist, diversity-trained, secularist American "culture" is far less rich than their own, and often conflicts with its interests. We would have to completely halt the Nashville pop-country phenomenon, and do everything in our power to limit or eradicate corporately manufactured images of authenticity. Reintroduce political loyalties in the form of concentric circles, and hype up the Texan political process (right now Texans couldn't be bothered to care). In other words, let the folk culture develop as untouched by corporate machinations as possible, while simultaneously encouraging excellence among cultural products. This will create enough cultural distance between Texas and the U.S.A. for Texans to reconsider their position as a State. I predict that this could take at least eight years, probably more like twelve. 

Of course, a U.S. crisis could also bring it on, but I'm talking about strategy not speculation. If the U.S. was in severe crisis perhaps they would not fight Texas secession. Even if they were in severe crisis, the negotiations as far as U.S. government land goes would be a nightmare, as well as extricating political and financial ties to U.S. corporations. Secession would probably take several years, perhaps there would be a war. If there would be a war, there would be no point to seceding--if the Civil War has any lesson, it's that the loser's culture will be actively crushed. Even if Texas were to avoid war by NOT seceding, it would create a lasting cultural enmity between Texas and the U.S. I actually feel that already happening to some extent. Texans can only take a certain amount of bullshit. 


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Going on, I think several cultural elements would need to be in place for a Texas monarchial house to develop. First, the Roman Catholics in Texas would need to be made open to monarchial rule. The interested parties in Texas would do well to contact the Vatican, and meet with them about the possibility of a State with a monarchy explicitly tied to the Vatican, including coronation by the Pope (thus legitimizing and ensuring the first monarchial house). Whether or not talk of a reborn Holy Roman Empire would surface, cultural and political ties to Central and Eastern European countries (again, Texas is largely German, Czech, and Polish) would need to be forged. Second, the Bible Belt would need some serious evangelization from the Roman Catholic folk once the Catholics were convinced of the benefit of monarchy. I suspect that a great number of Bible Belt Anglo-Southerners would leave Dallas, Fort Worth, Amarillo, etc. for Oklahoma. This is not desirable, I admit, but the North Texans are very Americanized in a way West Texans, Central Texans, and South Texans are NOT. East Texans are about half and half. Third, assuming by now that Texas is either fully its own polity OR that Texas is deeply at odds culturally with the United States, a major educational reform must take place with an emphasis on historical education, with a strong traditionalist bent, if not an explicitly Catholic/Anglican monarchist bent. Everything must be done to train one entire generation of Mexican-, German-, Czech-, Polish-, Anglo-, Irish-, Native-Texans, and others that "Texan of ___ descent" is a more appropriate moniker to denote their identity; an entire generation must be made self-aware Texans united by principles laid down by the fascinating mixture of cultures and heroes that make this State truly remarkable. This would include a culture-wide acknowledgement of the Sons of the Republic of Texas as central to Texan society--this does not mean that they would have "more rights" or whatever, but that they would receive special cultural recognition. The Knights of San Jacinto would need to be brought into the public eye and the society given money and teeth. Texas, taking the advice of Sam Houston, should open public parks to occupation of Native American nations (as long as they follow certain rules... no casinos) and give them a special place of honor or plenary power in the Senate. We need to reform our Constitution anyway, so a congress with representatives from each county, representatives of the Sons of the Republic of Texas, representatives from the Native American Nations, representatives of the various Churches that make up the Texan religious landscape, representatives of the Hispanic population, and any other major group in Texas would gather at Washington-On-The-Brazos to establish a New Constitution. 

This constitution, if it is to be a monarchial constitution, needs political legitimacy and the authority of the monarch needs to be guaranteed in case of a coup overthrowing the Constitutional Monarchy. The document should be sent to the Central and Eastern European countries for approval and their alliance bidden, hinging upon ethnic ties and similar political agendas (Hungary could be especially ripe for this kind of alliance). It should also be approved and guaranteed by the Vatican, Great Britain if possible, South Ireland if possible, and Mexico if possible. The Monarchial House should hinge on an individual agreed upon by as many representatives as possible, and he or she should come from a Texian family, preferably with ethnic ties to more than one heritage of Texas. An Anglo/Pole married to a Latina/German, for instance, or something similar. Property of the Monarch should be privately owned by the Royal Family, and should be most Parks, so that conservation of these resources are guaranteed. Government property should belong to the people and be called the commonwealth. Private property would be enshrined in the constitution or charter, and a distributist economy could realistically be formed if corporate exploitation was made illegal, along with strict monopoly laws. 

Post-charter, a massive cultural cleanup would need to take place. A conscious pressing movement within the government, the monarch, and the culture at large to destroy corporate America's influence would manifest in rural renewal, the destruction of strip malls, franchises, and certain industries. The culture would desire to be united in more than name only and I think would tend towards Catholicism considering the huge Catholic presence in Texas, even outside the Hispanic communities. The Czechs, for instance, are almost all Catholic, and a hefty portion of the German population is Bavarian Catholic as well. The Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter is Anglican Use Catholicism, which attracts conservative Anglicans, Lutherans, and Presbyterians, which make up the rest of the Euro-Christian population. The Principal Church of that Ordinariate is in Texas, Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston, and there is a very wonderful church in San Antonio with a first-rate school called Atonement that is Anglican Use as well. The hard part will be the Bible Belt and the Southerners, the East Texans, who still harbor a really strong anti-Catholicism (for good reason--the embattled Catholics in these fundamentalist regions are belligerent!). But to claim Protestant American culture without the theological time-bomb of modernity, Catholics need to embrace the forms of music, material culture, and social interaction that characterize these communities. In this way, the "Cowboy Culture," the "Old Timers," African-American religious life, and the rest will not feel like their heritage is being erased. I estimate that this entire process of re-enculturation could take at least fifty years. 

I have been thinking about this quite a bit, as you can see. Sorry about the rambling nature of this--it's not a fully organized idea and depends on too many unknown factors--where the U.S. will be in ten years, how they would react to a real secessionist movement, whether the American corporate de-culturation of Texas has already proceeded too far, etc. 

If anyone has more specific strategies or concerns, I would be very interested in knowing them. 

 


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As far as the symbols, names, etc., I would say "Texas" would continue to operate, with the official name being "The Kingdom of Texas" and "Texan" for a citizen, "Texian" first for the descendants of the Republic of Texas citizens, and then applied to the emergent ethnicity. "Tejano" would also work. Flag would remain, crown with cross with five-pointed star emblazon. Chivalric orders established: Knights of San Jacinto, Order of the Yellow Rose, Order of the Mockingbird, Order of Travis, Order of Our Lady of Guadelupe, Order of Our Lady of the Annunciation, etc. Texas Rangers entire law enforcement, belonging to the Order of the Cinco Peso. Motto "Domine Tecum" (Our Lady of the Annunciation is Texas' Patron, and Domine Tecum, said at the Annunciation, means "The Lord is with Thee"). Arms of the Monarchal House would be whatever family arms are available or invented for family, capped with crown w/cross & star emblazoned, above sword hung with papal keys, set about w/bluebonnets. These are all just interesting possibilities, humor me. 

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I really doubt any state in the USA, including Texas, is willing to put up with a monarchy as a government. There might be American monarchists, but America is too far gone on its republican beliefs for monarchy to take its root. I'd be more willing to have hope in European and Asian countries than the USA.
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