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The government is reconsidering the current law which deprives Japanese Princesses of their titles and Imperial rank once they marry.  The current law deprives women of the Imperial family of their rank and title once they marry, and concerns are growing that unless this changes, the Imperial family will shrink to undesirable levels.  The proposed change will allow women to continue to hold their rank and title even after they marry.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/news/20111126p2a00m0na004000c.html

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I can see the benefit as their is only one prince in the the next generation so the Imperial Family will be rather small in future. Personally I would rather see the cadet branches which were removed from the Imperial Family in the 1940's(?)  restored to membership of the family and the succession.
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DC, I think they should do both.
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My worry would be that if women keep their imperial titles when they marry then sooner or later we will no doubt see calls to allow women into the line of succession.  
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My worry would be that if women keep their imperial titles when they marry then sooner or later we will no doubt see calls to allow women into the line of succession.  

There've been empresses regnant before, another placeholder might even one day be needed. But the male-line of Emperor Jimmu should stay on the throne until extinct, of course. 'Tis the will of the kami, after all.

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With all due respect to His Imperial Highness, this is a particularly terrible idea.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111130a6.html

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'Mandatory Retirement at the Death of the Body'.

Abdication if it fits with tradition and suits the sovereign, but not by law!


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At one time the retirement age for the Emperor of Japan was often the age of majority, this in order to keep a perpetual regency going. His successor would be another minor child, just old enough to undertake the onerous ceremonial duties which were (and to an extent are) the main function of the office, then he in turn would step down as adulthood approached. This was not quite systematised, but was the course of events often enough. Certainly for an Emperor to abdicate and retire with wives and concubines to one of the numerous palaces of the Imperial compound was the norm, not an exception, even if he did continue a few years into adulthood. So the idea is not entirely out of line with Japanese tradition.
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Aye, that's being 'put out to pasture' in grand style...



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Another article about the emerging "crisis" wit the lack of male members of the Imperial dyansty.  This link might expire soon.  What strikes me as particularly vivid is the fact that with both the wives of the Crown Prince and of Prince Akishino being of an age where they are unlikely to produce more children, and as the existing Princesses marry and lose their titles, some day in the not too distant future, a small nuclear family  (little Prince Hisahito as Emperor and whomever he marries along with thier children) will be the entire Imperial family. 


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20120117zg.html



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Time to dust off this old thread, as the topic has raised its head again.  As Emperor Akihito has begun the ceremonies and rituals that will lead to his abdication and the accession of the Crown Prince to the Imperial throne, the Japanese government will now again discuss changes to the the Imperial succession law.  With the swiftly dwindling number of dynasts, the government is considering allowing female line branches of the Imperial family to retain their Imperial status and hold places in the succession.  So far there does not seem to be any discussion of restoring the old cadet male lines of the dynasty that lost their status and place in the succession under the post-war constitution.  The new Emperor and Empress of Japan will appear before their subjects on May 4th, just days after being enthroned.  It also happens to be the day that the King of Thailand will be crowned.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/03/18/national/japan-start-discussions-soon-imperial-succession-system/#.XJJbCvlKjct

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/03/12/national/palace-tokyo-emperor-akihito-starts-series-succession-rites-ahead-april-30-abdication/#.XJJe_vlKjcs

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190313/p2a/00m/0na/009000c

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190304/p2g/00m/0dm/054000c

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There is growing acknowledgment that something needs to be done in order to assure the Imperial Dynasty does not risk extinction.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2019/04/20/editorials/future-imperial-succession-2/#.XL4VWdpKjct

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

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I have always felt a compromise would be to retain succession by allowing Princesses to retain their titles and status after marriage and giving their husbands a title, perhaps one subservient to that of princess. Then, if the princess gave birth to a son he would be eligible to ascend the throne. If, of course, he ascended as a minor his mother would be regent. This would allow a direct male descendant of the current emperor, his grandson, to inherent, while maintaining male succession. 

Wasn't there a daughter of either Hirohito or Akihito who a member of a cadet line some years back? That would be another solution, allowing the son of a princess who married a member of a former cadet branch to ascend the throne. I would make that retroactive but for current princesses going forward.

It really is time to amend the US imposed constitution.
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For those who insist on the male line succession, there are plenty of male heirs of cadet lines of the Imperial Dynasty.  The problem is that the present constitution stripped them of their status along with the nobility.  All that really needs to be done is to restore the status of the cadet lines of the Imperial Dynasty and their place in the succession. An alternative is to either allow female succession, or the succession of males in the female line of the present Imperial family.  
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Allowing female succession would be in keeping with modern monarchical principles, as would be succession of males through female lines. I imagine that many Japanese, and likely the majority of Japanese, would be fine with such a change to the succession rules.  But would this contradict the old Shinto beliefs in the Emperor being a divine descendant of the sun goddess ?  After World War II, the Emperor gave up this claim to divinity, but I imagine that there are still followers of the old religious beliefs in Japan who might feel that female succession would violate Shinto beliefs. I suppose, though, that such objections might be overcome by some sort of ruling from the Shinto religious hierarchy re-interpreting the old traditions. 
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