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azadi

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I must say that we should all admire Azadi's bravery. Not many would have the courage to suggest being meanies is worse than being a terrorist front group. To declare such absurdities so boldly is impressive indeed.

Sinn Fein is no longer a terrorist front group. Sinn Fein supports the Good Friday Agreement. I have never expressed support for the IRA, which was disarmed in 2005. I don't support Sinn Fein, because their hostility to the British monarchy is excessive. I would vote for the Social Democratic and Labour Party, if I was a British or Irish citizen living in Ulster. The Social Democratic and Labour Party has never supported Irish republican terrorism.
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Ah, yes, back through the mists of time, in 2005. Brave, very brave.
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Ah, yes, back through the mists of time, in 2005. Brave, very brave.

Claiming that I'm a supporter of Irish republican terrorism, because I dislike Ulster Unionism, is unacceptable. I'm opposed to Irish unification without the consent of the majority of the Ulstermen. My dislike of Ulster Unionism isn't caused by Anglophobia. It's caused by dislike of Protestant sectarianism. The DUP supports bigotry against Catholics. I'm considering converting to Chaldean Catholicism, and my sister is a Chaldean Catholic. My uncle and my cousins are Latin Catholics, who live in Spain.
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I support Charles III becoming the regnal name of Prince Charles, despite considering the overthrow of King James II and VII to be wrong, because Bonnie Prince Charlie never actually reigned in England and Scotland. George VII becoming the regnal name of Prince Charles will be a rejection of the legacy of King Charles I and King Charles II. Britain ought to reject the legacy of Cromwell by making Charles III the regnal name of Prince Charles.

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The general assumption is it will be Charles III, but his regnal name is something for the Prince to decide when the time comes. No one else has any say on the matter. Including, I'm afraid, you. Referring to your previous post, it's very noticeable that you squawk like an enraged parrot whenever historical persecution of Catholics is mentioned, but if historical persecution of Protestants comes up the parrot appears to be asleep on its perch. But since you're not a sectarian this must be coincidence. After all, everyone has their sleep cycles. And I think we've all accepted by now that you're not an Anglophobe. The reason you criticise everything Britain has ever done is not due to Anglophobia, it's because everything Britain has ever done was wrong.

Thank you for sharing the personal information about your religious plans for what must be no more than the fifteenth time. Perhaps if you share it another fifteen times or so, which I'm sure you will, people might begin to realise that you're considering converting to Chaldean Catholicism, and your sister is a Chaldean Catholic. And even that your uncle and cousins are Latin Catholics, who live in Spain. And then they'll realise how grey and meaningless their lives were before they learned this wonderful news.
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The general assumption is it will be Charles III, but his regnal name is something for the Prince to decide when the time comes. No one else has any say on the matter. Including, I'm afraid, you. Referring to your previous post, it's very noticeable that you squawk like an enraged parrot whenever historical persecution of Catholics is mentioned, but if historical persecution of Protestants comes up the parrot appears to be asleep on its perch. But since you're not a sectarian this must be coincidence. After all, everyone has their sleep cycles. And I think we've all accepted by now that you're not an Anglophobe. The reason you criticise everything Britain has ever done is not due to Anglophobia, it's because everything Britain has ever done was wrong.

Thank you for sharing the personal information about your religious plans for what must be no more than the fifteenth time. Perhaps if you share it another fifteen times or so, which I'm sure you will, people might begin to realise that you're considering converting to Chaldean Catholicism, and your sister is a Chaldean Catholic. And even that your uncle and cousins are Latin Catholics, who live in Spain. And then they'll realise how grey and meaningless their lives were before they learned this wonderful news.

I dislike Protestantism, but I have never expressed support for persecution of Protestants. I'm a staunch supporter of freedom of religion. I haven't criticized historical persecution of Protestants, because nobody has defended historical persecution of Protestants on this forum since Contra Terrentum EQR left the forum. I'm criticizing historical persecution of Catholics, because most members of this forum support Ulster Unionism and are opposed to allowing the British monarch to convert to Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity.
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I'm confused about what you mean by supporting Ulster Unionism and what that directly has to do with the persecution of Catholics. I can see some historical links, but not what that directly has to with simply supporting the right of Ulstermen to decide their own future.

To add to what Peter said, you seem to have a dizzying propensity to care and not care about seemingly parallel cases.
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I'm confused about what you mean by supporting Ulster Unionism and what that directly has to do with the persecution of Catholics. I can see some historical links, but not what that directly has to with simply supporting the right of Ulstermen to decide their own future.

To add to what Peter said, you seem to have a dizzying propensity to care and not care about seemingly parallel cases.

I support the right of the Ulstermen to decide their own future. I'm opposed to Irish unification without the consent of the majority of the Ulstermen. Supporting Ulster Unionism means supporting the Orange Order and supporting the DUP or the UUP. 
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I support the right of the Ulstermen to decide their own future. I'm opposed to Irish unification without the consent of the majority of the Ulstermen. Supporting Ulster Unionism means supporting the Orange Order and supporting the DUP or the UUP. 

It doesn't really since I support Ulster Unionism but am wary of the Orange Order and am unsatisfied by both the DUP and the UUP.

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Indeed. Ulster Unionism is simply the view that Ulstermen are British. You don't have to support even the DUP to support it, but that doesn't mean you have to run a mile at the notion of voting for one of the parties that actually says they represent Ulster Unionism. I preemptiely reject out of hand ludicrous notions that Sinn Fein are any better or less sectarian or whatever silliness will inevitably come back to comments like this. It's nonsense on stilts and represents a fundamental lack of knowledge about Ulster or reality in general. One doesn't have a lot of choice in Ulster between sectarian parties of varying degrees.

I'm not even sure what support really means, though. I support the self-determination of Ulstermen. It isn't for me, really, though, to decide how Ulstermen so determine themselves.
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Indeed. Ulster Unionism is simply the view that Ulstermen are British. You don't have to support even the DUP to support it, but that doesn't mean you have to run a mile at the notion of voting for one of the parties that actually says they represent Ulster Unionism. I preemptiely reject out of hand ludicrous notions that Sinn Fein are any better or less sectarian or whatever silliness will inevitably come back to comments like this. It's nonsense on stilts and represents a fundamental lack of knowledge about Ulster or reality in general. One doesn't have a lot of choice in Ulster between sectarian parties of varying degrees.

I'm not even sure what support really means, though. I support the self-determination of Ulstermen. It isn't for me, really, though, to decide how Ulstermen so determine themselves.

I admit to being biased against Ulster Unionism. But claiming that I'm a supporter of the IRA and that my bias against Ulster Unionism is caused by Anglophobia is slander.
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It doesn't really since I support Ulster Unionism but am wary of the Orange Order and am unsatisfied by both the DUP and the UUP.

Why are you wary of the Orange Order?

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Why are you wary of the Orange Order?

In general I'm wary of all Masonic-style groups and there's no denying that the excesses of Orangism have driven a wedge between the Ulster Scots and the Irish.

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I admit to being biased against Ulster Unionism. But claiming that I'm a supporter of the IRA and that my bias against Ulster Unionism is caused by Anglophobia is slander.

Such sensitivity ill becomes someone who at one time or another has accused the entire forum of being Germanophobic, Russophobic, anti-Zionist and a few other things besides. Especially since no one as far as I can see has made either accusation against you. But that has also become a familiar pattern, when you're not slandering others that's because you're too busy falsely claiming you're being slandered yourself. I'm getting sick and tired of it all.
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On the Genealogics website, there's a lineage traceable from James the Old Pretender, through his son Bonnie Prince Charlie, and then through his granddaughter Charlotte the titular Duchess of Albany, down to the present day. Not all authorities accept the validity of this lineage, though. Obviously they have no claim to the Jacobite succession, as Charlotte's children were illegitimate, and fathered by Cardinal Prince Rohan, who was in Holy Orders and had taken vows of celibacy. Their existence had to be kept secret to prevent a scandal. There's further information about this on the late William Reitwiesner's website (wargs.com).

King James II, through his natural daughter Henrietta, whom he fathered with Arabella Churchill, will in due time be ancestral to British monarchs, as Henrietta is an ancestress of the late Princess Diana of Wales. 

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