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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies

The poll was reported in Haaretz, a major newspaper, and had a sample size of 503. One hopes more polls will be taken with larger sample sizes and that they may have different results than this, 'cause this is just horrifying.
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If these ultra orthodox jews and netanyahu want a palestinian free space they are free to deport themselves to antarctica and stick their noses out of everyones business. Maybe netanyahu can draw infantile cartoon penguins and practice bombing whales daily.
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When refering to "Orthodox" and "Ultra-Orthodox", care has to be taken in terminology. In Israel, the so-called "Conservative" and "Reform" groups are marginal in comparison with the US. Furthermore, Orthodox Jews are divided between "modern Orthodox" and Haredi, and between Hasidic and non-Hasidic Haredi. That's only considering Ashkenazi Jews, because Sephardi, Mizrahi and Yemenite Jews (or Oriental Jews, who lived in Arab lands and thus traditionally spoke Arabic) comprise distinct ethno-cultural groups within the Jewish population.

Israel's two largest secular Zionist parties, Labour and Likud, originated in the Poalei Zion and General Zionist and Revisionist Zionist movements, both of whom were politically active in the old Russian Empire and consequently in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, etc after 1918, even with seats in Parliament.

The Mizrachi movement is the main religious Zionist movement, whereas Agudath Israel is the most traditionalist ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) movement. Some Haredi groups oppose Zionism on what they claim as religious grounds. The Mizrachi organised the National Religious Party (Mafdal), now Jewish Home, which has declined from its former power. Agudath Israel is part of United Torah Judaism, while Shas represents Sephardic and Oriental Jews and is the largest explicitly religious party. At both extremes, Meimad represents left-wing religious Zionism, while the Kach movement of Meir Kahane held a seat in the Knesset in the 1980s. It seems to me that many "modern Orthodox" Jews are becoming more traditionalist, as a reaction to a growing secular-religious conflict in Israel.

I've heard the accusation of Israel being an "apartheid" state countless times. While many of Israel's actions cannot be condoned (and frankly it should have left the pre-1967 borders alone, at the least), Israel affords religious minorities and gays rights unequalled in much of the Middle East.
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The chief sephardic rabbi and leader of the shas party, Ovadia Yosef constantly makes insulting statements about people who aren't part of his group. He said that non jews (thai laborers in israel), were created to serve jews, that mahmoud abbas and all palestinians should die, hurricane katrina was god's punishment to blacks because no one studied torah in new orleans, and that holocaust victims deserved what they got since they were reincarnated as punishment for sins in their past lives, and the holocaust was god's retribution against them.
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The ultra orthodox and the settlers who keep doing the price tag vandalism, spitting on people or beating up others are a real danger to peace in the region.

Before the ultra orthodox population started growing and the settlers started taking off, there was no price tag vandalism or spitting on non-jews nonsense. I don't know which segment of the ultra orthodox is doing it, but they all have a very high birthrate and may number the majority in the future. The ultra orthodox don't control their youth who drop out of school and then they become thugs and start beating up israeli arabs. Although "normal" israelis don't spit on people, vandalize or hold the same views as these ultra orthodox, they are going to become a minority.
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The ultra orthodox Jews are still a minority and are also annoying to other Israeli Jews.   This radicalization, however, is not unique to Israel, but has spread all over the Arab world.   If you compare the two, the Ultra-orthodox Jews, as obnoxious as they are, have been far less violent.   They are not pouring acid on people, blowing themselves up, stoning, etc.   So let's put this in perspective.
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They are considered parasitical by other israeli jews for taking pensions, not serving in the military, and imposing their restrictions on secular jews, and Netanyahu keeps on dragging these issues, along with negotiating with the PLO, to the back burner and gave most of his priorities to inflating his platform to all about Iran, if he wins again, he is going to give even more space and propaganda to Iran, dragging the ultra orthodox and palestine to the back burner again and help the iranian government by bringing it into the news every day.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57540132/jerusalems-secular-israeli-minority-showing-life/

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Aren't they a growing part of the Israeli population though? Such is Israel's electoral system which encourages fragmentation, forming a government becomes difficult without including any of the explicitly religious parties.

Israel's Arab minority is also divided into various subgroups. The Druze who are generally loyal citizens are mostly around Mount Carmel. In the south are Negev Bedouins, who may be considered as distinct from other Arabs in the country and are often at odds with the government of Israel.
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